Bughs e Ali is not a good thing brother. Costs for doing this could be huge.
Imam Shafai’s famous verse read:
“Ali will judge mankind and allot them either paradise or hell. He was the leader of men and Jinns, the true Testator of the Holy Prophet. If the followers of Ali are ‘Raffizhes’ (the heterogeneous sect of Shias) verily I am one of that sect. Ali at the time of the breaking of the symbols in the Kaaba put his feet on that shoulder where God had put His hand on the ‘Night of Meraj’ and verily Ali was that man into whose eyes shone the light of God.” [http://www.imamreza.net/eng/imamreza.php?id=5828]
brother, you are the one who needs to grow up and stop throwing below the belt punches by trying to open hells gate and posting YouTube videos. Tolerance has to come from both sides.
And there is nothing wrong with Sheikh Ninowy. Look at face masha allah its glowing with noor as he is a lover of Rasool Allah *and Imam Ali. *
Farq Saaf Zahir hay!
I guess the love of Hazrat Ali is compulsory to have the noor shine on you. It is not enough to have Muhammad saw or more importantly love of Allah. Every argument you guys make, shows how much shirk you participate in and practice every day.
If this above statement is not Shirk I do not know what is. Is this what you Shias believe in? Please tell me it is not so. This is Shirk outright, nothing else. Hazrat Ali will not judge any one, ALLAH will ALONE.
das riech; i havent used bughs e ali quote in any of my post. go back and read again.
and a side note to Kaleem; Imam Shafai is one of the main sunni imams i believe. so i guess it is a sunni belief.
as for love of Imam Ali (as) yes, that is a requirement, for the hadith of Prophet (saw) saying that the munafiqs and momins are distinguished by their love and hate of Ali(as).
If this above statement is not Shirk I do not know what is. Is this what you Shias believe in? Please tell me it is not so. This is Shirk outright, nothing else. Hazrat Ali will not judge any one, ALLAH will ALONE.
Kaleem, i have been reading a few of your posts and quite frankly you got a lot to learn before making stupid comments.
You thought Ahlul Bayt included everybody since all did "bayt" on Rasool Allah's hand (first time i heared this 1!!!)
Then you go on to declare one of the main sunni Imam a Shia!!!
You also said earlier that Muta was never practiced!!!
What sources are you getting all these things from? Or is there any source at all?
I do not need a Imam to tell me what Allah has said over and over again in Quran, i.e. He is the only judge. If any hadeeth or any saying is contrary to that it is either fabricated or a complete lie on the part of the starter. In addition, I never did say that he was Shia, I just disputed the statement and I challenge all of you Sunnis included to prove that Ali Indeed will be the judge on the day of Judgement and I will stick with Quran and InshAllaH I will be victorious. Now who is neem hakeem?
Also , read my post again regarding the bait Vs Bayt issue and tell me if I did not know the difference. When you realize that you are wrong come back here and answer the question above.
das riech; i havent used bughs e ali quote in any of my post. go back and read again.
and a side note to Kaleem; Imam Shafai is one of the main sunni imams i believe. so i guess it is a sunni belief.
as for love of Imam Ali (as) yes, that is a requirement, for the hadith of Prophet (saw) saying that the munafiqs and momins are distinguished by their love and hate of Ali(as).
I am sure there are other ahadith where he professed his love for his companions, how come those ahadith are not followed by you? How come you ignore them and only focus on Hazrat Ali? not a side not but a direct challenge to you: Why do you hold such contempt against Hazrat Ayesha when she is indeed a part of the ahl -ul bait" as you describe?
even 12ers dont pray 3 times they have 5 prayers but they combine asr & zohar and maghrib & Isha which is permissable in islam but they have turned it into a regular practice to distingish themselves from sunnis , just like they have added Ali un wali Allah in azan
my question is why do they combine it then? and why do they keep a stone infront of the ja'namaz ?? i've seen some shias doing this too.
ismalis 7ers do that not 12ers , 12ers use ya ali madad for other things e.g if a child trips , u get a papercut etc its a relic of older and more heretical beliefs of their predeccessors
and i don't believe on that, I've seen shias saying Ya Ali Madad in place of salaam thats the reason why i asked. and yes, admit it they prefer saying Ya Ali Madad in place of Allah Hafiz as well.. [especially to their shia brothers] & ismailis "aga khanis i guess you meant??" they say Ya Ali Madad always too. Ismailis keep names like shias and they both do "koondas" Hazrat Imam Jafar Sadiq's. they make duas on that day, they cook food all night and then invite everybody over Niyaaz. actually i'm a reverted muslim my grand father and my chachas were also aga khanis, aga khanis don't talk about their religion at all as they feel unsafe, they don't even know what their own religion is. their Haazir Imaam does everything which a non-muslim does. and what is 12ers by the way?
The above narration is wrongly attributed to Imam Shafii (rahimullah).
Because Sunnis strongly believe that Allah (saw) alone will Judge all the Mankind ( & Jinn) and then allot them to Paradise or Hell as He sees fit and that He will not require services of anyone for this task.
What Imam Shafi (rahimullah) had said his famous couplet is: "If the love of Ale-Muhammad is considered Rafidism then let Jinn and humans witness that I am a Rafidi. "
Imam Shafi is only ascribing to himself Rafidism if Rafidism is indeed equivalent to loving Ahlul Bayt (r.a.a) . In this case all Sunnis are Rafidis, because all Sunnis love Ahlul Bayt (r.a.a) . Simply loving Ahlul Bayt (r.a.a) does not mean that one is a 12er Shia.
Imam Shafii had also said the following: I give preference (i.e in merits) to Abu Bakr, and then Umar, and then Uthman and then Ali Ibn Abi Talib (r.a.a) , for they are the Rightly Guided Khalifs etc"
Note the the order of preference of Imam Shafii (rahimullah)
and i don't believe on that, I've seen shias saying Ya Ali Madad in place of salaam thats the reason why i asked. and yes, admit it they prefer saying Ya Ali Madad in place of Allah Hafiz as well.. [especially to their shia brothers] & ismailis "aga khanis i guess you meant??" they say Ya Ali Madad always too. Ismailis keep names like shias and they both do "koondas" Hazrat Imam Jafar Sadiq's. they make duas on that day, they cook food all night and then invite everybody over Niyaaz. actually i'm a reverted muslim my grand father and my chachas were also aga khanis, aga khanis don't talk about their religion at all as they feel unsafe, they don't even know what their own religion is. their Haazir Imaam does everything which a non-muslim does. and what is 12ers by the way?
my question is why do they combine it then? and why do they keep a stone infront of the ja'namaz ?? i've seen some shias doing this too
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these are trivial things the main point of difference is imamat and its belief being central to 12er fiqah jafariyah
aap siraf shakhoon ko kutar rahin hain*
re: the narration quoted from Imam shafai , we have to look at the times they lived in and the political situation at that time which was of extreme hostility towards Ali and his descendents thats why they had to make it a point to include Ali along with other sahaba when they narrated their virtues.
as for love of Imam Ali (as) yes, that is a requirement, for the hadith of Prophet (saw) saying that the munafiqs and momins are distinguished by their love and hate of Ali(as).
the version of this authentic hadith that I have read [from abu saeed khudri amongst others] seems to indicate that sahaba/tabaeen used to distinguish munafiqs from momin in their times by their love of Ali.As Ali stood for rigid puritanical principles of Islam thats why the pious loved him & followed him and hypocrites hated him.
In our times 1400 yrs later its hard to imagine that being the case for everyone, since there are many shias/sunnis today who claim to love Ali but do every bad thing under the sun.Obviously they will not be forgiven just because they claim to love Ali ? loving Ali in essence means loving the principles he stood for...so 12ers shud not interpret that as a shortcut to heaven
and at any rate no one today claims to hate Ali not even the nawasib as they have changed tactics shaykh mentioned that too]