The beauty of religious mania is that it has the power to explain everything. Once God (or Satan) is accepted as the first cause of everything which happens in the mortal world, nothing is left to chance…logic can be happily tossed out the window."
Here is a Hadith that does not stand up to the challenge of the real commonsense.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 414
…" He (Muhammad) said, "First of all, there was nothing but Allah, and (then He created His Throne). His throne was over the water, and He wrote everything in the Book (in the Heaven) and created the Heavens and the Earth.…”
How this story can make sense? If there was ‘nothing’ how God could have put His Throne over the water? Which water? What was holding that water? There must have been an earth to hold it. Then how is it that he creates the Earth after sitting on the water? How is it that the Heavens and Earth are created after the waters? Don’t you need to have an earth to contain the water? And don't you have to have the heavens to hold the Earth? Beyond the fact that the whole notion expressed in this Hadith is ludicrous, there is also an error in the order of creation.
Now let's step back and consider what is wrong with this picture! Isn’t the Earth a planet of the solar system, which is an insignificant part of a galaxy that is one of the trillions and trillions of galaxies of the Universe? Can anyone, including the genius Maurice Bucaille who said Quran is scientific and a miracle yet refused to become a Muslim and rather was content with the money that the Saudi King gave him, put these two pictures together and solve this puzzle?
So we could say that the above Hadith is a fabrication because it contradicts the commonsense and is contrary to the universal rule. Or can we?
The problem is that it is in conformity with Quran and as Asif Iftikhar said “a Hadith can be regarded as a source of religious guidance only `if the basis of that Hadith exists in the Quran or the Sunnah”. What if we find something in Quran that corroborate the above story? And lo and behold there are few verses that do so. See the following:
Q. 18: 86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
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Then followed he (another) way,
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Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun.
Obviously Sun rises and sets in ALL places, or actually no place at all. One doesn’t have to go "another way" to find it rising. This gives us the clue that Muhammad really believed that the Earth is flat and the sun moves in the sky rising from one place, setting in another.
Absolutely no disrespect intended her but like to confirm the validity of this story. The story of Safiyah Bint Huyeiy Ibn Akhtab, the Jewish woman who was captured when Muhammad’s troops attacked Kheibar and brought her to the Prophet as part of his share of the booty. This story, is reported in the Book of Tabaqat and is published also in the trusted Islamic site. http://www.prophetmuhammed.org/ Safiyah was seventeen and very beautiful when Muslims killed her father, husband and many of her relatives. In the same day the Prophet of Allah wanted to sleep with her. Here is the exact text of the story.
“Safiyah was born in Medinah. She belonged to the Jewish tribe of Banu ‘I-Nadir. When this tribe was expelled from Medinah in the year 4 A.H, Huyaiy was one of those who settled in the fertile colony of Khaibar together with Kinana ibn al-Rabi’ to whom Safiyah was married a little before the Muslims attacked Khaibar. She was then seventeen. She had formerly been the wife of Sallam ibn Mishkam, who divorced her. One mile from Khaibar. Here the Prophet married Safiyah. She was groomed and made-up for the Prophet by Umm Sulaim, the mother of Anas ibn Malik. They spent the night there. Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of the Prophet the whole night. When, in the early dawn, the Prophet saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: “I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, and till recently she was an unbeliever. I was really afraid for you on her account”. The Prophet prayed for Abu Ayyub al-Ansari (Ibn Hisham, p. 766) Safiyah had requested the Prophet to wait till he had gone a stage away from Khaibar. “Why?” asked the Prophet. “I was afraid for you on account of the Jews who still happened to be near at Khaibar!”
Umm Sher you make it sound like the Prophet saw was a bad person naozobillah and forced her!!!
Read this, does this sound like a woman who hates her circumstances?:
When she was brought along with other prisoners-of-war, the Prophet said to her, “Safiyah, your father always maintained enmity with me until Allah made the final decision.” She said, “But Allah does not catch one for the sins of another,” The Prophet then gave her the choice of joining her people after freedom or accepting Islam and coming into a matrimonial relationship with him. She was very intelligent and gentle and said, “O Allah’s Messenger, I had hoped for Islam, and I confirmed you before your invitation. Now when I have the honour to be in your presence, I am given a choice between kufr and Islam I swear by Allah, that Allah and His Messenger is dearer to me than my own freedom and my joining with my people.” (Tabaqat).
She agreed to marry him even though she was given the choice. Why do you read one little part and ignore everything else? Ughhhh so many blind people here.
And if you call into question the authenticity of what I quoted, the look at this link and scroll down to the relevant section and see the same quote you posted in this too. http://www.prophetmuhammed.org/Relations/Wives.asp#15S
Does it realy make sense to you? would you happily agree to marry someone who killed your Father and brother the day bfore? Now don’t get me wrong here, I don’t mean to say that Prophet was a bad person, my point is, why do YOU pick the part of the story which fits you and Ignore to use your common sense. Foget about Safiya for a second, They distributed all the women among soldiers as sex slaves. do you think they all acceped Islam happily and wholeheartedly? Even if they did accept Islam you think it is OK to do that and Allah approves it?
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Why wasnt prophet hood ever revealed to a woman in islam? Islam is suppose to be gender equal religion yet there seems to be lot of instances where a woman is always consider second to a man. Why is this discrimination in such a great religion?
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Oh,, not only that Sroor,, Quran says to Men, beat your women if She refuses to obey you. What a discrimination at a root level.
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Oh,, not only that Sroor,, Quran says to Men, beat your women if She refuses to obey you. What a discrimination at a root level.
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incomplete information on tipic make people pass such comments. Please quote the exact verse and chapter. I'll try to reply to that. Please avoid such comments.
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incomplete information on tipic make people pass such comments. Please quote the exact verse and chapter. I'll try to reply to that. Please avoid such comments.
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"Your wives are as A TILTH unto you; so approach YOUR TILTH when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe." S. 2:223
"Men are superior to women on account of the qualities which God hath gifted the one above the other, and on account of the outlay they make from their substance for them. Virtuous women are obedient, careful, during the husband's absence, because God hath of them been careful. But chide those for whose refractoriness ye have cause to fear; remove them into beds apart, AND SCOURGE THEM: but if they are obedient to you then seek not occasion against them: verily, God is High, Great!" S. 4:34 Rodwell
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Your posts are so annoying. Quran does not say “beat” women. I don’t have time to go into it right now but look it up and you’ll find what that verse really means hopfully 
Besides, may I remind you, the prophet saw said something like “I am the best amongst you and I have never beaten my wives” and we are supposed to follow the Prophet’s way. The prophet never hit his wives so a man doing it to his wife can not justify it.
As for approaching your wife as they are your tilht, buddy the wife has a responsibility to sexually satisfy the husband. If she does not, obviously the man’s attention will go astray and look for outside of marriage. And same goes the other way, men have to satisfy their wive’s desires, “don’t come upon them like animals”, the prophet saw said.
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Islam treats men and women equally and it's piety that makes one better than the other, not gender. Besides, look at the society at that time, would anyone have accepted a female prophet? No way, women were oppressed and Islam changed that but even with all those changes, the societies of the world werent receptive to a female prophet.
Allah knows best and Allah isnt unfair
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Well, how about the Sharia law which requires 4 eye witnesses to prove that rape actualy occured. When this law was enacted in 1977 in an Islamic Country(Pakistan), proponents argued that it enacted the Islamic law of illegal sexual relations. First, it is important to note that the application of the Zina Ordinance in Pakistan has placed a new twist and a renewed urgency on the question of its validity. The twist is this: when a zina-bil-jabr case fails for lack of four witnesses, the Pakistani legal system has more than once concluded that the intercourse was therefore consensual, and consequently has charged rape victims with zina.
A few cases will disturbingly illustrate the concern. In 1982, fifteen-year-old Jehan Mina became pregnant as a result of a reported rape. Lacking the testimony of four eye-witnesses that the intercourse was in fact rape, Jehan was convicted of zina on the evidence of her illegitimate pregnancy (Mina v. State, 1983 P.L.D. Fed. Shariat Ct 183). Her child was born in prison (Mehdi 1990, 25). Later, a similar case caused public outcry and drew public attention to the new law. In 1985, Safia Bibi, a sixteen-year-old nearly blind domestic servant reported that she was repeatedly raped by her landlord/employer and his son, and became pregnant as a result. When she charged the men with rape, the case was dismissed for lack of evidence, as she was the only witness against them. Safia, however, being unmarried and pregnant, was charged with zina and convicted on this evidence (Bibi v. State, 1985 P.L.D. Fed. Shariat Ct. 120).5
Sher what is your point? I think you argue just for the sake of arguing and not with an open mind or even with the possibility that you just might be wrong. And why do you judge Islam by court cases today? If you wanna judge Islam, go read the Quran and ahadith. I don't know much about the four witnesses thing so maybe someone else will enlighten you. And yeah, courts aren't exactly paragons of what Islam really represents, do you think these people really act without bias?
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Well, how about the Sharia law which requires 4 eye witnesses to prove that rape actualy occured. When this law was enacted in 1977 in an Islamic Country(Pakistan), proponents argued that it enacted the Islamic law of illegal sexual relations.
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Well, that all depends on whether you view rape in the same category as other sexual attacks. It certainly differs from adultery and fornication in that the element of 'consent' is lacking. Various scholars have therefore placed rape in the category of crimes that are committed by one or more people causing public disruption, forcibly taking property or money etc. The rules for convinction will therefore be different and historically i believe different rules have been known to have been applied...
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Allah ta'llah wont talk to me. i tried prayers, n then quit the practice when it wasnt answered or maybe/probably i am being un grateful. but i want rationality actuall reasons for it.
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Dear, When your prayes are not answered just quit praying. You did the right thing. no need to regret your decision. you are not being ungratefull
You have doubts and IT IS only natural. You were born with the ability to question things and you only used your natural ability.
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Dear, When your prayes are not answered just quit praying. You did the right thing. no need to regret your decision. you are not being ungratefull
You have doubts and IT IS only natural. You were born with the ability to question things and you only used your natural ability.
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Sher, I am sure every activity yoiu engae in has logic and has been proven beyond a doubt, correct? If you do not want to pray that is fine, DO NOT advertise this on a board that is run by Muslims and is mainly for Muslims. Before you get bent out of shape, read it again, I said "You can believe in what ever you want, DO NOT preach this nonsense on this board".
sher your anti islamic website quotes are old and been refuted years ago why dont you try something new like getting a life!
Sher,
Your anti-Islamic paranoia has been done before in this Forum. Here are a few nuggets of advice:
- anti-Islamic hatred is getting old and stale, come up with a better punch line compadre
- your racist xenophobic attitudes belong in the 16th century in Massachusetts, back when they used to hang people suspected of being witches; why don’t you go back to that time period. i’m sure you’ll find lots of people there who share the same xenophobic mentality you cherish so dearly
- your hatred of everything related to Islam and Muslims, is NO different whatsoever than bin Laden’s hatred of anything Jewish. So far, you and him seem to share that aspect at least.
If you are only here to bash any religion while failing to hold any constructive, genuinely sincere discussions - then why don’t you go find an anti-Islamic website. There are thousands on the internet. Go share your narrow-minded, xenophobic, racist views with others who share the same level of ignorance. 
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The Quran also says to separate your beds should you be angry at your wife…
Then the Holy Prophet :saw: also says that that if you wish to look at the faith of a Muslim, then see how he treats his wife…
And so on and so on…
But you wouldn’t know that…After all, no anti-Islamic site you visit list the beautiful aspects of Islam, do they?
I am curious to know how one can judge intention.
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i LOVE how you completely bypassed how Hazrat Muhammad (may Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him) treated his wives, and how he told his Companions to treat their wives, how he enjoined righteousness towards women, orphans, the elderly. :k: Keep it up. You are on a roll.
Either debate constructively with ALL the facts, or don’t be selective in applying which facts you choose to bring to the open.