In our society girls are not encouraged to learn the art of dance…Well, even worse, I’ve not seen very many girls who would go near a music instrument because it isn’t considered a ‘shareefana’ way of life style. Where do u stand on this issue?
ciao,
BoSS
[This message has been edited by BoSS (edited March 26, 2000).]
Abay pk....OoOoOoOoPpPpPsSsSs....i mean Array Pk sahib......Action replay??:)
There is nothing wrong with dancing. Find me the spot in the Quran where it says: "thou shalt not dance." I don't have a problem with it at all, and enjoy dancing. It hasn't gotten me into any trouble yet :).
Zara
The only comment you are going to get from me is that women look so pretty dancing! :)
i don't think there is anything wrong with dancing, but i haven't seen many pakistani girls dance either and even less play instruments...i used to play the cello and i haven't given it much thought about how i was percieved playing an instrument and i enjoyed playing and i'm not sure religion wise if either allowed, and i guess peoples views would change depending on the instrument or type of music
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Naiko, replay always helps view things closely...Now, When I see Clinton and Monica in some replays on TV...I have more respect for masoom Mr president bechara! :)
Zaraatif (is it one word or two) Anyway, jub kabhi Quran parha to I'll keep my eyes open. :)
Roman, that was a politically correct remark....it doesn't get you in trouble. ;-)
Amber, I agree with you. What a coincidence! I see that u and I are in the same city and believe me the category Flirt's results have no base what so ever :)
ciao,
BoSS
Says who? We have produced some great dancers, Umrao Jana Ada, Neelo, Zeba, Anjuman, Firdoos, and many other notable dancers.
It is not our society, but a few tung nazar loug that view the art of dance as impious. Even some Arab cultures encourage dancing (although no mixing of sexes). Egyptian belly dancers.. yeah!!
I think that all Pakistani girls should learn to dance, and invent new styles, perhaps a Pakistani Lamabada.
I am for it, and I think it should be taught at schools in Pakistan, starting at the elementary level.
kabhi Quran parha to I’ll keep my eyes open.
Pk…Shurram karo…aur roz subah fajjar ke baad atleast eik rakooh paRha kare…Rab TummeiN muaf kare:)
and about dancing …lemme copy paste here …molvi saab ka jawab…
http://www.islamicity.org/dialogue/Q129.HTM
PS. Rom…i wonder if u have seen Anjamun or saima dancing in khaiths:)
haha..
anujuman in khaiths (fields)... what a funny site
They say
'us zameen par saat saal fasal naheen ugtee jahaan anjuman naach gaee ho'
BlackZero Sahib....Eik tau aap "Zero" heiN....sonay pe suhaaga "Kaalay kaloTay" bi heiN....(shaid teetar moTay) bi....aur aap hunstay heiN "Anjumann" jesi beauty pe...haiN??
Shurram kijiay...Anjumann qaum ka azeem sarmaaya hei.....:)
PS. Aap ki shakkal kuch jani pehchani si lagti hei...Do u know Juliana Fitzwater??;-)
Black Zero.
where is Sang hi?
NaikLarki
In future avoid disclosing anything about Black Zero's identity.
I don't have a problem with females dancing as long as it's not in the presence of males. Cause otherwise, it looks rather cheap and indecent. But if done for the purpose of exercise like Aerobics nothing wrong with it at all.
EH' if she wants to dance then.. Lettt er Dance..
Dancing in front of men is not allowed in shariat if we are to go by the Law...
It does look very enticing (shaayad issi liye haraam hai)...I went to a live khattak performance by Naheed Sadeequi and it was simply mesmerising....imaan leva hota hai!
Dancing amongst girls *(eg at mehndi) I think is fine..
Doing raqs whilst in a state of wajd (for Sufis) is allowed...
Hafeez Jhullandari (raheem Ullah) has a GREAT nazm on this called "Raqaasa". If anyone can post it...
salamoalaikum,
yeah let's make our culture as un-respectible as the west's.
actually jinnah's vision was to create a country based on democracy and western values, so u guys are not too far from his views.
wa'salam
mostansar
BoSS,
Roman, that was a politically correct remark....it doesn't get you in trouble. ;-)
Gotta be careful dude... you know how it is ;-)
NL,
I never said there are no exceptions :)
Asif there is no such thing as "Raqs in state of Wajd" mentioned in Hadith and Sunnah......
PS. I Luv that Nazm too...i'll post it:)
Yea where is sung hi??
Hiya X2....:)
Naik ji--I'm afraid aap is baar ghalat hain, sorry :)
Ulama ke mutaabiq, jab koi wali Allah fanaa-fillah ke maqaam mein aur wajd mein aakar kuchh aisay ilfaaz keh deh, ya kuchh aisay fa'al kare jo amoman ghair-shar'ee hote hain to usse is haalat mein qasoor waar nahin Thehra jaa sakta kyonke wajd ki haalat mein woh hazraat apna aql kho baiTh-tay hain aur shar'iat ka yeh qaidah hai ke sirf aaqil logoN par shar'i hukm naafis kiye jaa sakte hain; mas'alan aik paagal aadmi pe shar'i qaanoon nahin istimaal kiye jaa sakte choonke shar'iat ki hadd sirf aaqil logon par hoti hai...(nauzibillah, mein yeh nahin keh raha ke wali Allah aaqil nahin hote, bas yeh ke un par baaz awqaat ishq-e-Ilaahi ki wajjah se aisay kaifiyaat aur haal aa jaate hain ke woh ghair-maamooli baatein/fa'al kar lete hain. Aur aap koi bhi tassawuf pe kitaab uThaain (mas'alan Hazrat Data Ganj Bakhsh Hazrat Ali Hijwiri rahmatullahalayhi ki Kashf ul Mahjoob) aur uss mein wajd ka zikr aur iski kaifiyaat aur ihkaamaat ka ba-nazr shar'iat zaroor tehreer hoga. Aur wajd pe to hadith shareefein BHI mawjood hain. Aik hadith mein aata hai ke aik daffa Hazrat Abu Bakr Sadeeq ya koi aur Sahaabi zikr Allah ki kaifiyyat mein raqs kar rehe thay..wallahu aalam. To maaf kejiyega, lekin aap ko kitnee hadeesein aati hain ma' isnaad ke? Hazrat Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal ko 1000, 000 [million] hadeethein zabaani yaad thein! Aur aaj kal log Saudi Arab mein printed sirf Bukhari o Muslim shareef ki kitaaboN ke ilaawa baaqi sainqroN hadeethon ko bhool hi gaye hain...
aaj kal ke musulmaanon ka haal hai "neem mullah khatra e imaan.."
BTW, aap pe zaati tanz ya tanqeed nahin kar raha hooN :)
HaaN, for most people who are in a NORMal state dancing is not allowed in shar'iat according to the fuqaha.
btw--haaN woh nazm zaroor post kejiyega :)
"Ay dushman e duniya o deen.." wah :)
[This message has been edited by Asif (edited March 30, 2000).]
Someone said here that Quaid wanted a pakistan with wester values.Who told you that boy! Palistan was created in the name of Islam. Someone asked Quaid about the constitution of Pakistan and he replied that it had been given 1400yrs ago.
Now to dancing and music. Its not important what we think is right.We are not scholars .Its what is given in Quran and sunnah . Anything prohibited in Islam is HARAAM and haraam means haraam. And any addition to that is biddat and according to hadith
Kullo biddati zalala.
What we have in pakistan is not an islamic culture its actually an indian culture greatly influenced by islam and partially by western culture.
These sufis mullas and baba jiis are all bidat.In Islam every muslim is ordered to preach anything he knows even it is one aayah or hadith or its meaning(this is mafhoom of a hadith)
This wajad thing is not good either.Has anyone told you that ProphrtPBUH went to wajad and said anything or have done anything that an aaqil wouldn`t do.
The answer to this is a big NO.
Once prophet SAW was sitting with his companions. He said that tyhere will be some people in my ummah who will look like khanzeers(an expression he used for people who are worst in their beliefs) and explained it that those will be the people who love music,musical instruments and dancing women.( I tried to be closest with the hadith)
The saying ofhazrat ali RZU : there are two sounds sisliked the most.
1. bein (noha)
2. raag
So its very clear that it is harram no matter what we think..
However there is an exception. Dancing separately in weddings is allowed with the daff(the simplest possible instrument)
I hope its clear now.