It doesn't surprise me that you haven't seen an Amish man, it is customary in their religoin as well. Hence why it is known to some as an Amish beard, not a muslim beard. Other non-Amish men also fancy that fashion.
But the fact is that whatever was the fashion 1400 years ago has nothing to do with the facial hair fasions of today. Did Muhammed really think that it was so darn unique to grow facial hair in that way that it forever would only be a Muslim fashion?
Please let me know how old is this Amish movement.
the two self proclaimed scholars of islam ..... Hareem n Khanbabax and some others too. Please get a life and move on..........have u guys ever seen a dog trying to catch his own tail.......anyway *
*in hareem's case every thing comes to an end with " cuz allah said so"........huh in khan buk buk case ....poor guy cant even make up his mind. not follwong wajib and fraz stuff both are considered sins...............simply amazing...
islam is not that hard to understand believe me......... try taking it as a way of life rather considering it your sona bichona religion ....
They are quite new then.......may be they have taken this beard thing from Islam.
Yes, as incredibly innovative, complicated and unique as this "shave the beard, trim the musthache" facial hair fashion is, I still think Muhammed would have guessed that there'd be people who may as a group adopt this practice and millions more who'd have a flair for a fancy facial hair.
BTW, the "quite new, may have copied from" exlpanation is also used by the Jews a lot.
what is intresting is that unless someone can paint a comprehensive picture of all sides of an issue in 2 or 3 posts, the person can get challenged on, oh bt you did not say this or that.
Who said its farz? I have mentioned few times its wajib, and to leave a wajib is a sin. To grow a beard, it was an order of Prophet s.a.w, and He never shaved, nor did any Sahabas, so its higher than Sunnah. If it was ok to shave, atleast PROPHET s.a.w would have shaved it once or said it once that its ok to shave.
But if you want to follow your own desires in the name of Quran and Sunnah, go ahead.
please show where quran says what is wajib and to leave a wajib is a sin.
secondly prove that this is a wajib and not a sunnah
lastly prove that even if it is something the prophet did that everyone MUST do it.
If anyone makes fun of beard now, then he is a kafir.
why? where are you getting that from.
is it all beards? or just specific types, what about a goatie or a fumanchu?
what about a soul patch?
^fraudia you are so exasperating!
there was a time in distant and far away past when such a thing as muslim ummah was alive and kicking. they had alims and faqih making laws and regulations according to islam to maintain an islamic society. now generally speaking when muslims are talking about religious matters they refer to the gold of that time, the four imams. this is very abstractly put.
however i have a general query. do you know a regular muslim can comit kufar due to lack of knowledge ? secondly you say it is sunnah, now what do you think a muslim is doing when he is delieberately making fun of sunnah?
besides what do you suggest muslims do, every one pick up the book and become an alim, not a feasible solution. think practically, there has to some source where you get the nitty gritty of religion from. Now you shun these imams what is the alternative according to you? i hope you realize in this way you are subcontracting islam yourself
^the four mazhubs or madhubs or how ever you spell em.
oo please......if so then why these same madhabs tell you tha calling a muslim a non muslim is a sin too..... *
see the whole madhabs are screwed up in their own idologies.....
what is the difference between two? the sona bichona and way of life that is.
I was being scarstic on sona bichona religion thing.... i should have wrote it down in simple words...i forgot there are too many " mohtrams" on this forum.....
muali lovely to see a sound of reason. now as i asked before does it cross your mind that some mohtrams and mohtramas might find you ridiculous when you poke fun at the four imams yet fail yourself to do namaz and then get offended when people dont take you as even a remote authority on religion?
^fraudia you are so exasperating!
there was a time in distant and far away past when such a thing as muslim ummah was alive and kicking. they had alims and faqih making laws and regulations according to islam to maintain an islamic society. now generally speaking when muslims are talking about religious matters they refer to the gold of that time, the four imams. this is very abstractly put.
if teh tradition of ijtihad continued and was not considered by some as a limited time offer then you would have alim and faqih making laws and regulations in current context.
the 4 imams were very nice gentlemen from what I hear and read, but to the best of my knowledge they were human, not god and not the prophet, and with an asusmption that they had the best intentions, it does not make them accurate authorities. there is no need for four madhabs attributed to these gentlemen, its is something as simple as saying in islam there are potentially several different interpretations, go for the one that makes most sense for you, and realize that maybe the interepretatiosn offered to you are not right, after all it was humans trying their best.
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however i have a general query. do you know a regular muslim can comit kufar due to lack of knowledge ? secondly you say it is sunnah, now what do you think a muslim is doing when he is delieberately making fun of sunnah?
what type of beard? goatie, fumanchu, soul patch? or is making fun of any beard is not allowed.
and is making fun of lets say food stuck in someone's beard the same as making fun of teh beard?
is it allowed in islam to make fun of any feature of a person, beard mustache, weight, age, colour? or are some okay and others are not.
oh and BTW why is it that all of the defenders of Islam are so full of hate, and calling others kafirs.
is someone disagreeing with you will get your brownie points away from you? i mean we all go in our own grave and we all will have to answer to our own deeds.
all i've seen in this forum is that all of these guys who claim to be very religious and like to think of their point of view as one straight from GOD. are full of hate and can't stand someone else's POV.
besides what do you suggest muslims do, every one pick up the book and become an alim, not a feasible solution. think practically, there has to some source where you get the nitty gritty of religion from. Now you shun these imams what is the alternative according to you? i hope you realize in this way you are subcontracting islam yourself
what should muslims do, use their brains. lets get out of this madhab usiness and make it so formal .. all this is is a varoied set of interpretations which can be wrong, and which are not mutually exclusive.
I niether shun nor embrace these gentlemen. as ai said they were well intentioned, knowledgeable people from what I have read, but prone to human error, limitations of knowledge etc anyways. what has been rather interesting is that all this important stuff was not agreed upon in the prophets time or immediately after, same for the hadeeth, that it was not sorted out during or soon after. but decades and centuries later.
I am not subcintracting islam as I am not creating a 'madhab; and asking ppl to follow it, nor am I asking anyone to take my views and make them into a madhab, nor am I expecting anyone to make it into some madhab later.
what type of beard? goatie, fumanchu, soul patch? or is making fun of any beard is not allowed.
and is making fun of lets say food stuck in someone's beard the same as making fun of teh beard?
is it allowed in islam to make fun of any feature of a person, beard mustache, weight, age, colour? or are some okay and others are not.
Think about it, youwill find your answer.
its bad making fun of sunnah. now what was sunnah beard?goatie, fumanchu, soul patch?how shall we find it out lets open Quran e pak, oh but it doesnt have every sunnah written in detail manner. The sahabis? but who is going bring them back from graves? Rest like tabaeeyin or imams?we dont believe in them because they were humans and can make a mistake about writting what was the description of sunnah beard.
It is crucial to make fun of beard,we must find it out and not can it when somebody mentions sunnah.
what should muslims do, use their brains. lets get out of this madhab usiness and make it so formal .. all this is is a varoied set of interpretations which can be wrong, and which are not mutually exclusive.
I niether shun nor embrace these gentlemen. as ai said they were well intentioned, knowledgeable people from what I have read, but prone to human error, limitations of knowledge etc anyways. what has been rather interesting is that all this important stuff was not agreed upon in the prophets time or immediately after, same for the hadeeth, that it was not sorted out during or soon after. but decades and centuries later.
I am not subcintracting islam as I am not creating a 'madhab; and asking ppl to follow it, nor am I asking anyone to take my views and make them into a madhab, nor am I expecting anyone to make it into some madhab later.
big difference.
that is what is preplexing about you. You are asking us to use our heads yet fail to mention exactly how. You are not making your own madhubs but want people to forget about four gentlemen so they should take your advice and then dance in rain? i mean who is going to tell them detail about every other issue? you think beard is a non issue, some might consider it as a sunnah and no sunnah is less rewarding than any other. its all about perspective.
there is a hadith where Prophet saw encouraged to grow beard and somebody mentioned it in the thread, when you say these four people were prone to human error it is a possibility that so are you or me for that matter. But you dont give any clear answers as to what is sunnah and what is not, nor do you put up a good case that makes any sense.