Shaukat asked to clear his religious affiliation

now what can i say on this
a non muslim cannot assume a government office according to the laws in Pakistan , and Shoukat is a sort of a guy I think we needed badly
he has been xcellent in the Finance Ministry
and i hope he can take good care of the PM’s seat as well

vaisay i dont think he is a qadiani
if his father was [assuming] he may not necesserily be one too

ISLAMABAD: Muttahida Majlis-I-Amal (MMA) Wednesday asked federal minister and Prime Minister in waiting Shaukat Aziz to clear his position over his religious affiliation in the House.

Talking to Online MMA leader and Member National Assembly Maulana Hamid ul Haq said Mr. Aziz earlier had clarified that he is a pure Muslim and belongs to a religious family and he has no any affiliation with “Qadianis.”

MMA leader, however, said they have advised him to clear his position in this regard on assembly floor, as some people have reservations about his religious affiliation.

Maulana Hamid ul Haq said Shaukat Aziz was of the view that he possesses Pakistani passport and will show it in the assembly. When they asked Shaukat Aziz that his father Abdul Aziz was a Qadiani, he remained silent for a while and then rejected concerns in this regard.

Maulana Hamid ul Haq said Prime Minister Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain and federal minister Shaukat Aziz had contacted MMA the other day to seek support but “we set some conditions and asked them to assure that they will not make any amendments in Hudood Ordinance and reverse their decision of change in curriculum.”

They, however, refused to accept these conditions. Therefore MMA did not support them, he added.

Source : http://onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=58615

This is the first time I heard about this. Very interesting.

Re: Shaukat asked to clear his religious affiliation

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*Originally posted by Shehenshah: *
Maulana Hamid ul Haq said Prime Minister Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain and federal minister Shaukat Aziz had contacted MMA the other day to seek support but "we set some conditions and asked them to assure that they will not make any amendments in Hudood Ordinance and reverse their decision of change in curriculum."

They, however, refused to accept these conditions. Therefore MMA did not support them, he added.

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Murghay ki aik taang, the 2 things that needed to be changed badly, curriculum and the hudood ordinance are the 2 things these ppl want to remain untouched.

as far as a non muslim holding office, I believe only the president and PM posts are those where thios condition applies, and I think even that is too much, that clause needs to go.

Besides a betterment of the Hudood Ordinance's procedures (not the Islamic Law itslef) and more Islamic Laws and their implementation, what we need more is the complete overhaul of the justice system of Pakistan besides land reforms.

Everyday killings in our cities are normal. Who cares? Nobody! We might care when one of our own relative is the victim. Its easy to be here and talk but the reality is that solid foundations for a country's prosperity lie in a strong justice system. No justice and we have East Pakistan turn Bangladesh.

Have we ever though about the positive impact on foreign and domestic investment if the law and order situation is improved? Who would want to go to Pakistan when they know that their life isn't safe. Do all the cosmetic measures, change prime ministers, make elections, even bring about "enlightenment" but never care about bringing real change. Afreen hai Pakistaniyon ki soach per (MMA and all the govt. tola). The real dilemma is that if real justice comes, many die and the faces we see in govt. today would have to go!

I think the way arond this is for the Supreme Lord and creator Musharaff to declare Ahmedis muslims again in Pakistan. COnsidering it was a political decree not a divine one last time around, that is the way such idiocy should be rectified.

It's time to jail the MMA.

Shaukat Aziz is not a non-Muslim.

http://www.dawn.com/2004/07/01/nat2.htm

Federal Finance Minister and prime minister in-waiting **Shaukat Aziz has said he is a Sunni Muslim and believes that Muhammad (PBUH) is the last of the prophets. **

He was replying to a reporter, who referred to rumours suggesting that he (Aziz) belonged to a minority community, at a joint news conference on Wednesday.


Evil indeed are those who attempt to spread rumours of kufr about a believer.

MS,

don't you think it's time to seperate State and religion? See that way it wouldn't make any difference if he was a Qadiani or not would it?

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Evil indeed are those who attempt to spread rumours of kufr about a believer.
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Surely!

I remember around the time when Mr.Aziz first left Citibank for Finance Ministership in Pak, there was a report in a Western outlet that most of Mr.Aziz's relatives are Ahmadiyya. Now it could be that Mr.Aziz himself has changed his views and now repudiated any allegiance to his past, but this is not a new thing.

Also, Mr.Aziz's wife is from a prominent Jewish family in New York with lots of ties to the Rockefeller clan, which has some links to Citigroup.

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*Originally posted by Talwar: *
I remember around the time when Mr.Aziz first left Citibank for Finance Ministership in Pak, there was a report in a Western outlet that most of Mr.Aziz's relatives are Ahmadiyya. Now it could be that Mr.Aziz himself has changed his views and now repudiated any allegiance to his past, but this is not a new thing.

Also, Mr.Aziz's wife is from a prominent Jewish family in New York with lots of ties to the Rockefeller clan, which has some links to Citigroup.
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proof? link? where? when?....

It was Asiaweek, Businesswek or a similar mag in 1999 I think,

As to his Jewish wife, it is there in The Nation, today

It is said that Mr.Aziz’s rapid rise in Citibank had to do with his wife’s links as well as his friendship with Saudi Prince Al-waleed bin-talal who owns a chunk of Citigroup.

^ Thanks

The Finance Minister who authorised the writing off of his loans is the man selected by the military regime to follow him as PM. **Apart from having a history of service as an investment banker in the United States during a period of the most creative money laundering in the banking history of that country, this candidate also has an American-Jewish family. His spouse, Mrs. Gloria Cohen Aziz is a wealthy, well connected socialite with an interest in many private firms of consultants as well as security contractors for the US government. **These contractors and consultants have worked in Afghanistan since 1977; they have also worked in Pakistan, in Russia not to mention Iraq.

She has travelled to Pakistan regularly to case the joint, as the Americans say, with the State Department spouse of a well known former US Ambassador to Pakistan who oversaw the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan. The Americans are so keen to see her installed in Pakistan that they have left Iraq two days early to facilitate her entry into the country-an indication of the importance of the job she, not any PM is expected to do in Pakistan. Her arrival at the Prime Minister’s house in Pakistan should be a slap in the face of all those Muslims who have been horrified and disgusted by the humiliation and torture of Muslim prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, in Iraq, in Afghanistan and the hate crimes against Muslim citizens of the United States. There is no conceivable way in which either of the two candidates for premiership, one of whom was elected on June 29, 2004, can be expected to serve the state or the long suffering people of Pakistan. They have no political agenda, no social or economic plan to lay before the population of Pakistan. The question is, then who would they be serving? The answer is obvious. Mr. Aziz is expected to be the Ayad Allawi of Pakistan. And he has been groomed for the job. Pakistan may not have been invaded by the US forces but it has been occupied by its own military, which works on the US direction, through one man. This should also serve as a lesson to all those conservative political parties that cooperated in the perpetuation of military rule in Pakistan and continue to abstain, instead of voting out the present set-up.

An appraisal of policy making at the national level, the conduct of official business and the exercise of power in Pakistan reveals the existence of networks and patterns that have been designed and put in place to achieve specific administrative and political objectives that yield economic and strategic benefits to vested interest groups, but have little to do with the interest of the general public. During the past five years such patterns have been further consolidated through policy plans. The rationale originally given for the coup d’etat of October 1999 was exactly the same as that given for earlier military takeovers in Pakistan: a stagnant economy, bad governance, corruption and lawlessness, among other things, were said to have made it impossible for the military to tolerate the elected civilian government. In traditional Pakistani style a pre-selected team of so-called experts set about redesigning national institutions and the economy. The adjustments made were expected to facilitate the acceptance in Pakistan of the broader strategic agenda of the international constituency of the military regime.

This agenda included the secularisation of national institutions, which would weaken the support-base of the larger community of Muslim states under pressure across the world. It would facilitate Israel’s recognition by Pakistan, diminish the importance of liberation struggle in Palestine and and divert attention from the occupation of Iraq. Secularisation was also expected to facilitate the activities of the Ahmadiya community within Pakistan. The electoral concessions and relief from punishment for blasphemy that has been sought for the minorities in Pakistan masks concessions that would automatically accrue to the Ahmadis who have an interest in enlarging and empowering their community. This is bound to create communal tension in Pakistan.

Dialogue with India on outstanding issues were expected to pave the way for some form of confederation with India. An American-Pakistani PM would, in American eyes be the ideal person to negotiate with India on Kashmir. Besides enabling the armed forces to divert personnel to civil government and more profitable pursuits, this would contribute to the consolidation of the hold over the country of the core group responsible for the military takeover. It would also reassure their international constituency about the containment of the potential of Pakistan’s armed forces for resisting global security initiatives that were not in the interest of Pakistan and Muslim communities. This was presented to the forces as a more attractive concept than “jihad”, which had been their doctrine and which made the West uncomfortable.

The achievement of these broad objectives required a longer than usual time span in power for those who were to implement their personal agenda, as well as the international security agenda of major powers after the Cold War. Unfortunately Britain and the United States were correct in their assessment that the successor states of the USSR (including Russia), new democracies of Europe, the Central Asian states and China would be too deeply involved in economic transformation to bother about security issues that were not of direct concern to them.

Major world powers involved in the reordering of international security systems were pleased with the controlled electoral exercise that took place in Pakistan on October 10, 2002. The rules of the game were entirely of the establishment’s choosing. Every single argument put forward by the military government to justify the holding of elections without installing an interim government and in order to provide a level playing field for all candidates, became null and void as a result of official canvassing in support of specially vetted politicians prior to, and during, the elections. Now history is repeating itself.
http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/july-2004/1/EDITOR/op1.asp
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well I guess u need to have connections to get to those high-level jobs...and if he's paying the price of losing himself by having a Jewish-American wife wid all those relations then he deserves to get something back...theoretically speaking..

and as for religious concerns, I guess we Pakis, need to trust each other more often than we are used too...I mean, if he says it that he's a sunni Muslim and all, then that's wat he is...why are we so interested in who he is related to..??

Don't let it be said that Politics is not a dirty game.

Shaukat should have stuck to his job as Finance Minister. He is good at that. Whoever thought of the idea to make him the PM.

I feel like I’m in frikkin twilight zone. WE now get a friend of Shaukat Aziz to clarify that his wife is a Pakistani and not some Jewish Woman. See:

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/july-2004/2/EDITOR/let2.asp

What creeps me out is that I could have sworn I read about Mr.Aziz’s Jewish “wife” before, though I did not know the name ‘Gloria Cohen’ and indeed his Ahmadiyya faith. looks like even today you can reinvent or erase history officially. Perhaps Mr.Aziz used to be married to a ‘Cohen.’

It is surprising that even some simple personal details of a prospective PM are prone to confusion. Man Pakistan has so many secrets.

So weird.

the guy must be talking abt his 2nd wife … or 3rd

At a dinner in 1999, his wife was on the guest list as Rukhsana.

http://www.gfusa.org/newsletter/fall99/dinner.html

The Institute of Overseas Pakistanis also lists him as being married to Rukhsana for the past 32 years and having three children with her: Lubna, Abid and Maha.

http://www.iop.org.pk/links/top20/19.html

I guess there are people out there who hate him enough to be spreading a web of lies about him. Firstly they spread rumours that he’s not a Muslim, then they accuse him of having a wife tied to foreign interests, etc…

It’s sad that competent government work in Pakistan is met with bile like this.

There was a lot of hue and cry raised when Moin Qureshi was made the PM and it was not just because he was a US citizen but his religious background (many people alleged that he was a Qadiani). It seems as if the history is repeating itself. In my view, Shaukat Aziz being the banker and technocrat that he is, should stick to his job.

But I fail to understand why people start taking interest in someone's personal life. Whether his wife is a Jew or a Christian or for that matter Hindu, this shouldn't concern us. We need not bother about anything else as long as he is a Muslim and a citizen of Pakistan.

Mr. Xtreme, separating state and religion in the Pakistani context is asking for a bit too much. At the end of the day we are a Islamic Republic and our policies and our choice of leaders should be inline with that. (atleast ideally :) )

Hi MS,

Thanks for the links.

I guess I’m wrong on this topic. I feel sorry for casting aspersions on Mr.Aziz, not that I personally felt there was anything wrong in being an Ahmadiyya or having a Jewish wife.

Good luck to Mr.Aziz.