Sharon set for Zionist triumph

Fat fundo, Ariel Sharon looks like he’s headed for re-election in the coming elections. My view is that this is a blight on the Israeli public who have voted this madman into office despite his poor record, controversial policy of encouraging illegal Israeli settlements, and not to mention his past record of butchering civilians.

What a stain on decent jews everywhere that so many Isralis have voted for this beached whale excuse for a politician.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,170-556523,00.html

January 27, 2003

Sharon to pull triumph out of disaster
Commentary by Jeff Barak

THE question hanging over tomorrow’s election in Israel is not who will win but why a scandal-ridden 74-year-old Prime Minister with so little to show for his two years in office looks likely not just to win but to cruise to victory.

Ariel Sharon’s record as Prime Minister is disastrous. On the security front, more Israelis have been killed in terror attacks over the past two years than ever before, while domestically the economy has notched up its worst performance since 1953. Unemployment is over 10 per cent and climbing, and inflation is at 6 per cent. No recovery, economic or diplomatic, is in sight.

On top of that, Mr Sharon is enmeshed in a personal scandal over a £1 million loan he took from a British businessman, Cyril Kern, to pay off election campaign contributions that had been ruled illegal; his two sons have been named in separate scandals involving Mr Sharon’s right-wing Likud Party; and the party itself has been tainted by allegations of bribery during its internal primary campaign.

As Israeli political commentators are fond of saying, in any normal country no such candidate would have a chance of victory. Yet come polling day, Mr Sharon’s return to the Prime Minister’s office seems guaranteed.

The latest opinion polls show Likud winning 31 seats in the 120-seat Knesset, allowing them to establish a 65 or 66-member governing coalition, made up of Likud, the more right-wing National Union and Yisrael B’Aliyah parties, and the country’s three religious parties: Shas, United Torah Judaism and the National Religious Party.

Labour, meanwhile, has sunk in one poll to only 19 seats (from 26 today) and the internal fratricide that has always been a hallmark of Labour Party politics has again risen to the fore, with calls to replace Amram Mitzna, the party leader (who has been in the job for all of four months) with the indefatigable Shimon Peres, who is 79. This call is yet more proof of the short-term memory endemic in Israeli politics: when Mr Peres was Labour’s leader, he lost four successive general elections and a fifth in 1996 after Yitzhak Rabin’s assassination.

Indeed, it seems as if Mr Mitzna has given up hope for this election and is setting out his stall for the next time round, assuming of course, that his Labour colleagues refrain from stabbing him in the back in the meantime. Given that, for most of Mr Sharon’s premiership, Labour held both the defence and foreign portfolios, Labour is denied the normal opposition tactic of attacking the sitting government’s record, and so Mr Mitzna has set out a radical agenda.

He advocates a unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip within a year, and negotiations with Yassir Arafat, the Palestinian Authority leader, from the point at which they were left off in Taba two years ago. If the negotiations fail Mr Mitzna, like Mr Sharon a former Israeli army general, advocates a unilateral withdrawal from the West Bank as well. Unfortunately for the Labour leader, most Israelis see this as out-and-out defeatism, and Labour is down to its core support. The centrist, floating voter is not prepared to reward Mr Arafat for 28 months of terror and prefers to dig in and wait for better days.

Mr Mitzna hammered the nail into his electoral coffin when he announced recently that he would not take Labour into a national unity government under Mr Sharon. This means that the floating voter, who actually does want a national unity government in the face of Palestinian terrorism, as opposed to a narrow, right-wing-religious coalition, has no choice but to vote either for Likud, so as to make Mr Sharon’s leverage as powerful as possible over the smaller, right-wing parties, or to cast their ballot, as a protest vote, for this election’s rising star, Shinui.

Shinui’s main campaign platform is opposition to religious coercion — there is no civil marriage in Israel and Orthodox Judaism has a state monopoly on religious affairs — and lower taxes for the middle classes. Its policies concerning relations with the Palestinians are vague and seem to depend on whichever Shinui member one talks to. Shinui is predicted to jump from six seats in the Knesset to 16, mostly at the expense of Labour.

Mr Sharon, meanwhile, has played the few cards he has superbly. Building on a basic Israeli desire for peace coupled with intense distrust of Mr Arafat, he has continued to insist that when the time is ripe, ie, after Mr Arafat’s disappearance from the scene, he will consider “painful compromises”. In the meantime, any talk of unilateral withdrawal is sheer defeatism. His call for national unity, particularly when Israel faces the uncertain fallout of a possible war in the Gulf, also resonates among an Israeli electorate who instinctively feel that now is a time for rallying around the flag.

As for the scandals, Mr Sharon simply accuses the press and the “left-wing establishment” in Israel of being out to get him, and his supporters are happy to believe him.

My view is that the fanatic, militant Palestinians with their incessant attacks upon Israeli citizens might as well be key members of the Sharon Re-Election Committee. Without them, Sharon is irrelevant and would be discarded onto the scrapheap of history where he belongs.

The re-election of a ‘monster’ as the leader of Isreal is a sad day for humanity… :disgust:

Sharon needs to create a government and has slammed the far right so they won't be part of it. In order to get labor to join his government he will be forced to make concessions. After Iraq there will be mounting pressure for Israel (ie: sharon) to find a peaceful solution with the Palestinians, peace has come from stranger places.

Humanity has suffered lots of sad days because of the actions of people on both sides of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

your exactly right myvoice, both sides are guilty of blaming the otherside while never pointing the finger at themselves.

According to exit polls…

**Sharon ‘swept back to power’**, BBC

Ariel Sharon’s ruling Likud Party has won the general election by a wide margin, according to Israeli television exit polls. According to preliminary results, Likud captured up to 36 seats, almost doubling its representation in the Israeli Knesset (parliament).

If confirmed, this would return Prime Minister Sharon to office in a stronger position - an outcome described by the Palestinians as counter to the interests of peace.

The main opposition Labour Party suffered the worst defeat in its history, losing up to eight of the 25 seats it held before the poll, according to the exit results.

Its leader, Amram Mitzna, has accepted defeat and congratulated Mr Sharon.

His coalition should be interesting, Amram Mitzna has said labor will not join it.

Utd, what happened to the likes of shimon peres and other moderates.. Its very sad that many Israelis have become even more extremist in their views towards the Palestinians.

Peres is 80 now and has given way to Amram Mitzna, who wants to end the settlements. labor lost seats probably because they’re to far left in many eyes. The Shinui has double their size and are the third largest party now so that is a good sign but the right reigns supreme for now.

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After Iraq there will be mounting pressure for Israel (ie: sharon) to find a peaceful solution with the Palestinians, peace has come from stranger places.
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Yeah we heard the same stuff after Gulf war 1 and the war on Afghanistan. In fact, many prominent GS members predicted that Bush would slap Sharon's wrists mildly in public but do absolutely nothing in real terms to make Sharon look for a peaceful solution.

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My view is that the fanatic, militant Palestinians with their incessant attacks upon Israeli citizens might as well be key members of the Sharon Re-Election Committee. Without them, Sharon is irrelevant and would be discarded onto the scrapheap of history where he belongs.
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Don'T change your views MyVoice. Do remember what you stated before the ellections and who you picked up as the winner for this time as I stated you nothing will change. As long as only IDF Soldier influence the voting system of Israel, then there can't be any change.
However no comments from the EU nor any negative response from the Americans, although we see here racism brooding with this success.
As I have many times stated. All parcifist and liberal democrates will be scared of a strong success by a right wing party in any country accept ISRAEL. Funny, isn't it?

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Don'T change your views MyVoice. Do remember what you stated before the ellections and who you picked up as the winner for this time as I stated you nothing will change. As long as only IDF Soldier influence the voting system of Israel, then there can't be any change.
However no comments from the EU nor any negative response from the Americans, although we see here racism brooding with this success.
As I have many times stated. All parcifist and liberal democrates will be scared of a strong success by a right wing party in any country accept ISRAEL. Funny, isn't it?
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I'm not sure what "change" you don't think can happen. The governing coalition in Israel has changed considerably over the years. As has the prevailing viewpoint about how to settle with the Palestinians. Whether the electorate looks to the left or the right for its leader at any given time appears to have much more to do with the actions and activities of the Palestinians than anything else. In times of relative calm when negotiations hold promise, the electorate turns left. In times of uncertainty and violence, they turn right.

I'm not sure why you think that the EU or the Americans ought to negatively comment upon the outcome of the free and fair election in Israel. Personally, I don't like Sharon and don't think he provides any solution to the problems in the Middle East. I don't think it much matters what "scares" those you refer to as "parcifist and liberal democrates." What most Americans don't like to see is extremists on either side of the spectrum taking power over the policies of a country.

If Sharon forms a government where he and Likud are the most moderate elements of the coalition, a lot of people are going to be real unhappy with what happens in Israel over the coming months.

Hardly. Shinui’s leader (Yosef Lapid) has been accused of being racist by some, and has pretty Sharon-like views and his background is that of an outspoken right-winger. When asked about keeping occupied territory he has said -Don’t let them tell you that it’s impossible to keep occupied territory. It’s most certainly possible."](http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=373361)

As it is this is quite a significant victory for war criminal Sharon whose party managed to almost double its tally from 19 to 37 seats. Another 34 seats were won by right-wing, extremist, fundementalists and settler supporters, enabling Sharon to build a right-wing coalition government.

I guess the vast majority Israeli people seemed to have forgotten what this butcher did at Sabra and Shatila?

Shinui party itself is one that supports the Oslo Agreement and the peace process with Palestinians. My guess is that Yosef Lapid comments were made in order to garner more votes from the right, none-the-less the party itself is one that wants peace.

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My guess is that Yosef Lapid comments were made in order to garner more votes from the right, none-the-less the party itself is one that wants peace.
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You can guess as much as you want, but Lapid's actual comments and his background mark him out as a right-winger. As the article says Mr Lapid does not go anything like as far as Labour on the issue of Israeli withdrawal from the Occupied Territories. Despite his many rants against demagogues, he is quite capable of being one himself. His background is as an outspoken right-winger.

A Shinui, Labor and Likud coalition (approximately 71 seats in the 120 member Knesset) would be the most well received by most of the rest of the world. It is probably the only coalition that could keep the government close to the center. Most other coalition possibilites move the government far to the right.

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I'm not sure what "change" you don't think can happen. The governing coalition in Israel has changed considerably over the years. As has the prevailing viewpoint about how to settle with the Palestinians. Whether the electorate looks to the left or the right for its leader at any given time appears to have much more to do with the actions and activities of the Palestinians than anything else. In times of relative calm when negotiations hold promise, the electorate turns left. In times of uncertainty and violence, they turn right. **

Can you recap your last post and rephrase it here please. I'm eagerly waiting for it to give you the precise difference once stated here on GS.

When has there been calm in Israel? Can you clarify? Have you seen any time period in Israel that can be described as "calm"?
If so please state that.

*I'm not sure why you think that the EU or the Americans ought to negatively comment upon the outcome of the free and fair election in Israel. Personally, I don't like Sharon and don't think he provides any solution to the problems in the Middle East. I don't think it much matters what "scares" those you refer to as "parcifist and liberal democrates." What most Americans don't like to see is extremists on either side of the spectrum taking power over the policies of a country.

If Sharon forms a government where he and Likud are the most moderate elements of the coalition, a lot of people are going to be real unhappy with what happens in Israel over the coming months. *

I think I underlined my statement with the argument of "racism can incubate with more ease" with right wing parties controlling and leading a state.
Interesting if Americans dont like extremists on either side of the spectrum why then do I hardly see any protest against the likud party whereas I still remember when Haiders party in Austria gained upper hand some years ago, every week there was hard criticism from your state from your ppl from that nation America.
Did you get my point? I still remember the concerns of many when the right wing party was neck to neck with Chirac's party. Same goes for Belgium.

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Ali writes: “When has there been calm in Israel? Can you clarify? Have you seen any time period in Israel that can be described as "calm"?
If so please state that.”

I have done so on many previous occasions. The period immediately preceding the eruption of the present Intifada was a period of relative calm. The Israeli electorate turned away from Likud and elected Barak. There were many Palestinian owned small businesses emerging in PA controlled territories, mutually beneficial economic relationships between Palestinians and Isrealis were being formed, an economic infrastructure was being built in PA controlled territories, revitalization projects were ongoing in PA controlled areas and there was a great deal of hope being expressed among a great many average Palestinians as the new Millenium was approaching.

Now “calm” in that region is not the same thing as “calm” in the US and I don’t pretend there weren’t significant tensions that still existed. I would wager though that most Israelis and most Palestinians would exchange their current predicament for what they had three years ago in a heartbeat.

Ali writes: “Interesting if Americans dont like extremists on either side of the spectrum why then do I hardly see any protest against the likud party whereas I still remember when Haiders party in Austria gained upper hand some years ago, every week there was hard criticism from your state from your ppl from that nation America.”

When was the last time you saw Americans protest against a political party in any part of the world except for one in the US? I’m sorry but I don’t recall any Americans taking to the streets and airwaves protesting against a political party in Austria. The only thing Americans usually protest about are policies of our own government and things like fur, abortion, anti-smoking ordinances, and the like. As to foreign leaders and governments, we get our news and information, we form our opinions and we occasionally discuss current events with our friends and family. We don’t protest.

I know it’s popular for some to simplistically believe that Americans are Likud-Sharon-Israeli loving, Palestinian hating bigots. The truth is that most Americans who have formed an opinion don’t like Sharon or Likud, think hard-line Israeli policies toward Palestinians are wrong, are against settlements, and want the Palestinians to have a homeland along reasonable, internationally recognized borders. Most of us are pretty damn tired of seeing so much of our hard-earned money get dumped into the Middle East only to see more dead Palestinians and Israelis come from it. The disconnect we have with you and some others is that so long as we see Palestinians promoting and tolerating the ideology advocating the destruction of Israel and the intentional targeting and murder of Israeli citizens by terrorists, we will not be moved or motivated to withdraw and/or temper our support for Israel.

Yes it is, and it additionally sad that around 60% of Israeli’s voted for war criminals, extremists, fanatics and settler supporters. But then again didn’t George W Bush himself endorse war criminal Sharon by calling him a “man of peace”?