Sharon set for Zionist triumph

[Ali_R]

*Originally posted by myvoice: *
**I have done so on many previous occasions. The period immediately preceding the eruption of the present Intifada was a period of relative calm. The Israeli electorate turned away from Likud and elected Barak. There were many Palestinian owned small businesses emerging in PA controlled territories, mutually beneficial economic relationships between Palestinians and Isrealis were being formed, an economic infrastructure was being built in PA controlled territories, revitalization projects were ongoing in PA controlled areas and there was a great deal of hope being expressed among a great many average Palestinians as the new Millenium was approaching. **

The barak issue is a different one. Suicide Bombings never ended and not even at that time. Those businesses you are talking about are news to me. Barak never took full responsibility to take revenge or counter strike on Pale. Hardly ever I remember. Violence is a rotating issue not a one sided. There takes two to inflect wars. Not just one side.

Now “calm” in that region is not the same thing as “calm” in the US and I don’t pretend there weren’t significant tensions that still existed. I would wager though that most Israelis and most Palestinians would exchange their current predicament for what they had three years ago in a heartbeat.

I need facts not your own views. How you describe a situation under Barak’s leadership.

**Ali writes: “Interesting if Americans dont like extremists on either side of the spectrum why then do I hardly see any protest against the likud party whereas I still remember when Haiders party in Austria gained upper hand some years ago, every week there was hard criticism from your state from your ppl from that nation America.” **

There were protetests. And it’s not strange for me to know that ppl of their own country have no idea whats going out there. Especially Americans, since the issues which are directly linked or matter them are more important and relevant.
Not just Americans even your GOvernment criticized Haider’s Party.

When was the last time you saw Americans protest against a political party in any part of the world except for one in the US? I’m sorry but I don’t recall any Americans taking to the streets and airwaves protesting against a political party in Austria. The only thing Americans usually protest about are policies of our own government and things like fur, abortion, anti-smoking ordinances, and the like. As to foreign leaders and governments, we get our news and information, we form our opinions and we occasionally discuss current events with our friends and family. We don’t protest.

You ppl don’t protest? Heah? Aaha. Interesting Indeed. http://www.bellona.no/en/international/russia/envirorights/nikitin/opinions/8162.html

Just one of many.

**I know it’s popular for some to simplistically believe that Americans are Likud-Sharon-Israeli loving, Palestinian hating bigots. The truth is that most Americans who have formed an opinion don’t like Sharon or Likud, think hard-line Israeli policies toward Palestinians are wrong, are against settlements, and want the Palestinians to have a homeland along reasonable, internationally recognized borders. Most of us are pretty damn tired of seeing so much of our hard-earned money get dumped into the Middle East only to see more dead Palestinians and Israelis come from it. The disconnect we have with you and some others is that so long as we see Palestinians promoting and tolerating the ideology advocating the destruction of Israel and the intentional targeting and murder of Israeli citizens by terrorists, we will not be moved or motivated to withdraw and/or temper our support for Israel.
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I guess we shouldn’t discuss on that since this will lead to “Off Topic” the issue. Oppression is the worst one has to be bear.
The Jews should know it best. Unfortunately they never learnt their lessons. Not at times of the Prophets neither at times of the crusades, when they were happy to be “freed” by the same Arabs they dislike (these dayz) from the brutal leadership of the christians in costantinopoli.

[Dai_sista]

God keeps such people in power..i knew he'd win... kalb!

[myvoice]

Ali:
I'm not surprised that emeriging Palestinian businesses in PA controlled territories prior to the Intifada are news to you. Being with an American business that cultivated such contacts among both Israelis and Palestinians and expended significant resources in the area pre-Intifada, I KNOW they were there. I know the revitalization projects were ongoing because I saw them. The problem with many people (not necessarily you) who like to offer opinions on various subjects is that they have no first-hand, practical, personal experience or knowledge about the people, places and events they are commenting upon.

I don't for a moment believe that you think the level of Palestinian violence and suicide bombings in the period immediately preceding the current Intifada is the same as or near the same as it is post-Intifada. Neither was the level of Israeli violence against the Palestinians the same.

Regarding protests, I guess you and I mean something different when we talk about Americans "protesting in the streets." I thought you meant protests by some meaningful number of people, not a few dozen folks who carry around signs on a topic. I interpreted your earlier remarks stateing that Americans did not protest against the Likud party like they protest against other international news implied some meaningful number of people took to the streets on these other issues. The link you provided about a few dozen environmentalists protesting some Russian's detention for treason proves the point I was making. Regarding Austria, Americans most emphatically did not take to the streets protesting any political party in Austria. Could a few expatriots or Austrians in the US have engaged in protests? Sure.

[Ali_R]

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Originally posted by myvoice: *
Ali:
**I'm not surprised that emeriging Palestinian businesses in PA controlled territories prior to the Intifada are news to you. Being with an American business that cultivated such contacts among both Israelis and Palestinians and expended significant resources in the area pre-Intifada, I KNOW they were there. I know the revitalization projects were ongoing because I saw them. The problem with many people (not necessarily you) who like to offer opinions on various subjects is that they have no first-hand, practical, personal experience or knowledge about the people, places and events they are commenting upon. *

I told you its new to me.

I don't for a moment believe that you think the level of Palestinian violence and suicide bombings in the period immediately preceding the current Intifada is the same as or near the same as it is post-Intifada. Neither was the level of Israeli violence against the Palestinians the same.

I gave you a reason why suicide bombings were limited at that time.
Read in my previous post.

*Regarding protests, I guess you and I mean something different when we talk about Americans "protesting in the streets." I thought you meant protests by some meaningful number of people, not a few dozen folks who carry around signs on a topic. I interpreted your earlier remarks stateing that Americans did not protest against the Likud party like they protest against other international news implied some meaningful number of people took to the streets on these other issues. The link you provided about a few dozen environmentalists protesting some Russian's detention for treason proves the point I was making. Regarding Austria, Americans most emphatically did not take to the streets protesting any political party in Austria. Could a few expatriots or Austrians in the US have engaged in protests? Sure. *

It was just an example, dear. There are many more and when I was refering the Haider's party, it was a protest starting from venice til US.
Those protests were orginazed by Israeli/Jewish ppl and pacifist. Even some left wing parties did support those rallies.

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[Malik73]

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*Originally posted by Dai_sista: *
God keeps such people in power..i knew he'd win... kalb!
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The vast majority of the Israeli people returned war criminal Sharon and other right-wing extremists to power, so it they that are primarily responsible.

[underthedome]

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The vast majority of the Israeli people returned war criminal Sharon and other right-wing extremists to power, so it they that are primarily responsible.
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Actually the vast majority didn't vote for Sharon Malik, his party just happen to get the largest % of votes over all, the majority of Israelis voted for several different parties.

[Malik73]

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*Originally posted by underthedome: *

Actually the vast majority didn't vote for Sharon Malik, his party just happen to get the largest % of votes over all, the majority of Israelis voted for several different parties.
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Read my post again. I'll bold the part you missed this time - The vast majority of the Israeli people returned war criminal Sharon **and other* right-wing extremists to power, so it they that are primarily responsible. *

72 of the 120 seats were won by a war criminal and his right-wingers, Jewish fundementalists, extremists and settler supporting parties. Thats exactly 60% of all seats in the Knesset, and over 2/3 of the Jewish seats in the assembly.