Shariat in Pakistan

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hmm so shariah is a no no? then explain your presence in this thread :hoonh:

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Croquet, is Sharia something that Prophet Muhammad:saw: would want to implement in this age and time?

Do you know what Sharia is? Please, enlighten me. I think people are really afraid of Sharia? Why is that? Is that because in recent times, its implications have been wrongly executed or because, we want a western freedom and from inside, we just hate our religion? I am confused…

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i havent answered pcg's questions because i dont have knowledge enough about shariah on certain matter. this is pretty much the islamic constitute we are talking about, me mouthing about it would do more damage than good.
As for would Prophet saw want to implement it in this day and age? when the Quran was revealed the day and age were no more suitable for shariah than they are now. Following islam is always going against the grain. That is why jihab e akbar is actually battling with one's own nafs.

ik aag ka darya hai aur doob kay jana hai.

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Thanks. This is what I was looking for.

Also, you will see people only constituting Sharia with some Islamic punishments and without even knowing their pre-requisites. Many of the principles of Sharia do not even apply until you do not have an Islamic Welfare state established.

PCG’s dozen questions are mostly revolving around the issues which we hear every now and then however more importantly, no one cares about the actual politico-socio-economic infrastructure of the society, Sharia can provide. Implementing Sharia does not necessarilly dicatates one’s personal life but defines an environment. Implementing Sharia does not mean that we cut the hands of a thief without even providing peoples of the state food provisions and living. If Sharia makes one fearful that it will be abused then, it can not be even sharia to begin with. We should stop calling such thing Sharia for Sharia is an abbreviation of Shariat-e-Muhammadi, that is, the way of the Muhammad:saw: and it can only be right - no option of it being wrong. Whoever finds it wrong can judge him/herself on his/her own where he/she stands anyway.

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I did not mention Qadyanis because they have already been officially declared Kafirs in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Declaring them Kafir is a pre-requisite of Pakistani citizenship.
You have any answers to the questions raised or you can not see beyond who posted it on youtube?

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Good answers brother Das Reich.

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Apparently, the thread starter has asked few questions and how can a question be a lie ?
question is about asking something. A question can be stupid, irrelevent or wrong ( based on wrong assumptions) but it cant be a lie.

Comming back to topic, in recent time we have seen three different versions/flavours/models of (self proclaimed ) islamic Shariah implementation in various parts of world.

  1. Iran (progressive)
  2. Saudi Araibia (Static)
  3. Taliban (reppressive)

Rest of the muslim world does not acknowledge anyone of the them as true islamic shariah.
Iff some sort of Shariah is imposed in pakistan it would be by force and very unpopular among the masses. It would be worse than taliban. But it is highly unlikely that a uniform kind of shariah can be imposed in whole pakistan. At most it can be implemented in tribal areas. For the rest of Pakistan these people would simply be grossly incometent. As they know nothing about commerce and industory, economice, finance, banking, taxation, import and export.

The very basic requirement for Islamic Shariah implementation is fully 'qualified Shariah Compliant administrators' and these people must have backing and support of masses. Only Iran comes close in this department.

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just trying to rub off some sense and logic to my brainwashed brothers and sisters.. doesn’t work but atleast I try..

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People still are not answering these questions - either avoiding them entirely, or saying they don't know enough to answer - and yet almost everyone here is still calling for Shariat. These people should be able to answer these questions. I mean, if you want something, it should be assumed that you know enough about it.

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Whats this have to do with me? The man is obviously an idiot…
Anyways, get over your “qaidyani” paranoia… Why not actually try to answer the question that was posed in the post, instead of weaslig your way out of it like the rest of the religous people who get so defensive when they get cornered.
When the only person that compliments your post is someone like Hareem bibi, thats not saying much…:rolleyes:

Question is, who’s Sharia are you going to be implimenting in Pakistan? There ar many different variations, which one will suite EVERYONE in Pakistan?

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Religous fundamentalists are easily cornered because none of them have actually thought out the real issues... The cling to these fairy tales of some ideal Islamic state... They avoid embarassment by getting defensive and trying to divert attention to non issues such as "Qadiyanis," so as to not have to use the brains they were supposedly given because that would mean exposing themselves and their beliefs...
So dont expect an answer..

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brother code_red has spoken the truth and his implicit approval of a shia system of sharia despite his being a sunni is exactly the kind of attitude we need from both sides today.
If sunnis can aim for a govt like that of umar [ra] and shias a govt. like that of Ali[as] they will find that they agree on 80-90% issues

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well put it this way, you might support a system yet be unable to be the master in legal matters. your questions arent about whether we want shariat or not? which any muslim should be able to answer based on his knowledge and conviction (faith plays a major part bear in mind) your questions are about the technicalities and i for one am hesitant answering because I havent got enough education in religious matters to a) know the answer and b) being able to explain it for others. a bit like choosing a career, you dont know the nitty gritty until you are well on the road of professionalism. but you have to make a choice at the begining of your education.

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These are in no way nitty gritty issues. For example, banning all types of music would destroy so many careers and put people out of work. The government is answerable for such changes to the economy.

Therefore, they must be answered and explained by anyone demanding shariah.

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But think of all the jobs created in the textile sector, given the mandated extra clothing. And not to mention the vacant positions that will open up in law enforcement.

The number of unemployed musicians will hardly impact the economy.

If anything, legal measures that require some form of compliance typically create jobs.

When something becomes illicit, it's bound to impact some people who make a livelihood out of it. Poppy growers is the better example. Where such measures fail is when institutionalized corruption interferers with government policy.

But, given the heroin problem in Pakistan’s just ludicrous to think that the government should prioritize concern so that top on the list is what would become of those greedy farmers (they could move to cash crops, but don't because it's not nearly as profitable).

In either case, the government is no more answerable to that than what European and North American governments are answerable for their suppression of the sale of tobacco.

Smart business people will move on and find new ventures. Stupid ones will whine and perish. All in all, that's good for the economy.

From Turkey to Somalia (i.e. right across the spectrum), we're seeing Islamists teaming up with the business community. Are such concerns of economic impact warranted?

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yea they should be answered but by people with knowledge both in religious matters and economical ones. i doubt many on gs fill the criteria however would be interesting to see if there is a scholar here, hidden somewhere.

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good in your opinion believe is a thing to play with :P

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If the option of instituting Shariah does get entertained by the present regime, tonight, what would your stances be on the following issues?

  1. Should the Hudood Ordinance - the law that a rape victim must present 4 witnesses for her words to hold true in court - be kept? (I'm not sure if this was recently ammended, but this law is considered to be part of Shariat by many people in Pakistan).

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without the witness or medical reports , any women can blame , any men that he had raped her so should be hanged
this will bring anarchi

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  1. What would be a woman's dress code? Be specific. (i.e. Burqa, eyes showing/not showing, face showing/not showing, hijab, dupatta, etc).

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for pious women all body covered except hand and face and who ever want to cover her face should be allowed to do so

others should wear what ever they want except being naked

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  1. What would the education system look like - who would get educated? What subjects would be taught and what subjects would be banned? Will girls get educated? What level of education would be mandatory?

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in whole islamic history women were allowed to get education
and teach
education system should not be that of Pakistan ie divided into 6 different types for each different class of people
education system should be same for all the people

education should be mandatory upto the will of the student
players want to concentrate on games , they have no time for useless education , should be given option to play freely as in UK , America etc

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  1. What would be the treatment towards imams who say we should strap up bombs and do suicide bombings in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and Iraq?

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who ever say this , brought them to court and give them punishment through courts

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  1. Would art museums stay or go?

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should remain

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  1. Would people be allowed to publish fiction literature?

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yes , but by mentioning it is fiction

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  1. What importance would the sciences get? (ex. medicine, engineering, basic sciences, research).

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according to shariah/islam/quran , this world is made for us and we have to explore it and science is one of the tools , used to explore

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  1. Would women be able to hold jobs?

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best place is home but if there is a finantial problem or has a will can do some job but children should not be neglected

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  1. How would the state handle the problem of orphans and widows - be specific.

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like any other welfare state

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  1. What would happen to the poppy fields in NWFP?

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i have never seen poppy field in NWFP

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  1. Will the cinema houses stay or go?

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who ever wants to go to cinema should go but films should not be anti islamic or the naked ones

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  1. How will the face of Pakistani television change?

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nothing should be changed

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  1. Would Roxen be allowed to perform? (Roxen is a band)

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who ever wants to listen Roxen should listen
but not force other to listen who don't want to listen by using high volumes in cars or houses etc

the whole shariah stands on
ADAL O INSAAF

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shariah never stops women from driving

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  1. Will all forms of music be banned?

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who ever wants to listen should listen but don't force other to listen

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  1. How will people of other faiths and their places of worship be treated? [/QUOTE]

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should pay jazia and their places will be treated as their worship places and will be given security by the state

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shakes head and walks off

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ofcourse , beared is sunnah, so whoever don't want to have beared should not have beared but they should not forced other to shave their beared who have beared

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Will people be allowed to wear western cloths (pant, shirt etc.)?

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whynot , as long as the dress cover the body

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Will women be allowed to get education and work?

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already answered

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Will people be forced to learn Arabic?

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whoever wants to learn should learn anything but not force other

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What will happen to Shia? Will they be treated the same way Qadianis are today?
What will happen to Ahle Hadith?
What will happen to Brailvis?

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they will remain what they are

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Who will become Khlaifa and how will he get selected (democracy is not allowed in Sharia Law)?

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sharia also support one form of democracy
and in sharia PHD scholar vote is more important then illetrate person
and khalifa should be atleast PHD in political science and Islamic Studies

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Will Pakistan exist as a separate state or invade other muslim countries to create a single muslim state under a single Khalifa (selected for life)?

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Pakistan should work with other muslim countries to create united states of Islam :)

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Will this single muslim state be in a state of war with the rest of the world until they surrender and convert?
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if rest of world attack them , it should defend itself