Shariah march in UK

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Daily Express | UK News :: Now Muslims demand full Sharia law

But I thought no one wanted shariah in the UK? What does implementing shariah in the UK have to do with discrimination against Muslims (which is lowest in the US/UK among European countries+US) or UK foreign policy? It is a strictly internal policy that in fact promotes discrimination through gender apartheid and suppression of minorities.

This is further proof that this is a global ideology seeking to imposes its precious shariah law everywhere.

Here is some more straight from their site (people need to know what these people believe):

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dunno why some ppl r so obsessed with their expansionist ideas and have this dream of domination.....i have not found anywhere in Prophet Mohammad's life a desire of 'converting' everybody Muslim or conquering mass of land......the 80 odd battles fought during his lifetime were all defensive in nature and fought when all chances of peace had failed.....there were no more causalities than 1,000 in total on the both sides during these battles......it was after his departure from the world that Arab kings or caliphs or whatever u want to call them started on their mighty rampage.......in most cases their missions was unjustified and their intentions were ill, unfortunately.........the message of Prophet Mohammad was infiltrated by the hypocrites and to this day is used as a tool by these so called Muslims who r so far away from the real teachings of the Prophet of Islam...

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Trafalgar Square Under the Shari'ah :
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wow .... i dont have any words... prepare for another set of bradford riots..

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The thing about the caliphs is that while they were militaristic, other than that they were great people when judged by the context of their times. They gave more rights to their minorities than the other empires and major states of the day (Persia, Byzantine Rome, China, etc.), had an impressive system of social welfare by 7th century standards, gave huge amounts of their personal wealth to charity, were known to be humble and honest when they could have easily lived in extravagance and corruption, etc. Today’s Islamists trace their roots to the 1920’s and to a lesser extent an Arab writer (Ibn Tamiyaa) in the 1200’s. They aren’t really based on the caliphs, other than the concept of militarism. Even in that area there is no way that Umar or Abu Bakr would support insanity such as flying planes into buildings, blowing up schools and hospitals, etc. They fought their wars openly and honestly and fought against opposing armies, not civilians buying fruit at a bazaar.

wow
i think i am sitll dreaming
thats not a bad post mr. Reason
so we do agree on something.

CiAo

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The beauty of Freedom of Speech and Expression. Well done on the UK. The Indians an learn from this true democracy.

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^^

Why bring India to this topic. Talk about being obsessive...

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seems like yet another group of third rate nutjobs like hizb ul tahrir, al ghuraba and mohajirounn who have nothing better to do than to yip yap. We all saw the reality behind Mohajiroun's lead ass clown in the last few years. Just another fringe group who needs to be pimp slapped.

just my personal opinion

Ya, that is the beauty of the freedom of expression. Some idiots can march all day. But do you understand the ramifications of this march. This will further alienate the public from the muslims. The average Joe on the street would look at this march and feel threatened. He would then take out his frustration on the poor muslim in his neighbourhood.

I seriously think that this march is a conspirarcy to worsen the race relations in UK. The march should be banned and the organisers arrested and sent to wherever they came from...

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Simplyme, I agree the march will cause problems but it presents moderate/liberal Muslims with a great opportunity: form a counter-march to show they reject these nuts.

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"This is further proof that this is a global ideology seeking to imposes its precious shariah law everywhere."

Paranoid much? I think you are the best thing that could happen for Anjem Choudary or whoever it is who wants to make wudu in a fountain. If it werent for you, this guy would be the equivalent of a tinfoil hat wearing nutjob on his little corner at Hyde Park. But you are on a quest to see a global conspiracy, you want to feel justified in feeling afraid of Muslims everywhere. So you elevate Mr. Wudu in Piccaddilly circus to the level of player in a global game.

Ridiculous.

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There isn't a global ideology of Islamism? Don't you see what the same ideology is doing to Pakistan (and the same ideology, with minor variations, can be seen in numerous other countries)? This ideology has been around since the 1920's and grew long before the most of the world even cared what it is let alone understood it.

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Whether or not there is a 'global ideology of Islamism' this is not a significant proof of it.

Let me give you an example. There are white supremacists in parts of America. Say you find one in Brixton who has a website saying he wants to paint nelsons column white. You open a thread saying look theres these neo-nazies in America and now someone wants to paint nelson's column white. Ergo global neo-nazi ideology, that has been growing since the 1850s. We must all be afraid.

you are one step away from shrieking on a soap box yourself.

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There is a global ideology of white supremacism called neo-Nazism. Fortunately, it is very weak at the moment.

Do you believe there is/was a global ideology of Communism?

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what exactly is a "global ideology" (as opposed to local ideology?). Do you mean an ideology that has been adopted by atleast 1 person in multiple countries? What is sufficient to call something global, as opposed to local?

your whole language seems to anthropomorphize the term ideology.

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Do you believe there is/was a global ideology of Communism?

A global ideology is an ideology which has been adopted by many people around the world like Communism or Islamism.

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So is serial killing a global ideology? Is buddhism a global ideology? Your definition is sufficiently broad to include virtually everything.. so yes Communism, Buddhism, Shinto, Small-goverment conservatism, Christianity, Scientology and Islamism (whatever that is) are probably global ideologies as defined by you.

Note that my criticism of you wasnt wrt Islamism or whether or not its an ideology, but "This is further proof...". It is disingenuous and seeks to paint with a broad brush utilizing the flimsiest of evidence. How many people back this person?

You find yourself in stellar company, for example in my time I've seen many tapes that seek to prove "global" threats such as free-masons, jews, illuminati etc by identifying outlier individuals and using manipulative language as to cover the general population. Case in point "global ideology" and "Islamism".

What I dont understand is how you can live with the mentality of knowing that you're finding random nutjobs in order to validate your hyperbole.

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  1. No. Serial killing occurs everywhere but are there books, organizations, political parties, policies, armed groups, etc. promoting the ideology of serial killing?

  2. Buddhism, Shintoism, Christianity, Islam, Scientology, etc. are religions. Small-government conservatism is a political ideology. Notice the cross-pollination between American conservatives and British conservatives, for instance? Social democracy/socialism also is a political ideology. They even have a global organization consisting of socialist parties, which includes the UK Labour Party and Pakistan’s People’s Party.

  3. How many people back this individual? At minimum tens of millions around the world. In the UK few support his methods but there is considerable support for his goals among a significant number of UK Muslims. :rotfl: @ calling Islamists random nutjobs. These “random nutjobs” are placing Pakistan at the risk of disintegration, took over Afghanistan in the 90’s, rule Iran, and so on.

  4. You’ve dodged the question regarding Communism twice. Answer the simple question: is/was Communism a global ideology?

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  1. You did not require books, organizations, political parties, policies, armed groups in your definition of ‘global ideology’. Merely ‘an ideology’ adopted by many people around the world.

  2. Again, blame your definition. Tell me where the line is between religion and ideology. Also, you italicise “political”. Is that the distinguishing feature?

  3. Haha… tens of millions around the world support this individual? Please provide ANY proof of this ridiculous claim. Or even that there is “considerable” support for his goals in a “significant” number of UK Muslims. Such weasel words, giving yourself room to basically claim ANY number is a considerable proportion of a significant number. There is also little in common between those fighting in Afghanistan/Pakistan and Iran. They wont stay in the same room together. Is it the same ideology?

Such lazy reasoning. A feminist could just as well replace ‘males’ in your paragraph and be equally accurate. “Males” are protesting in the UK, “males” have taken over Afghanistan in the 90s, “males” have taken over Pakistan. Similarly for “Asians” and “Browns” and “Adults”. All true. All hyperbolic nonsense, linking one person to a terrorist organization because of certain commonalities, ignoring the differences, and claiming “proof” for a global game.

  1. I did not dodge the question regarding communism. See here