"Allah is beautiful and loves beauty"... :) Then he bans beautification? Doesnt make sense...
Seriously, with respect to "changing natural features", trimming eyebrows is no different physically than trimming moustache or beard (or even circumcision!), which leads me to believe that maintaining a physical facial hair-setup like the prophets is indeed sunnah, but straying from it is not haraam (maybe makruh, but not haraam!).
You say it is ok to alter ones "natural looks" if they appear defected. Yet what is the measure of defect? Is that defined in any hadeeth? In our materialistic society, beauty is held in great regard, and its pursuit has almost become the one of the objectives of our existence (and why not as Allah loves beauty, its pretty much ok for us to have such an objective). With very strict conventions in place which define beauty, the slightest variation from the norm is subject to great criticism and mockery, and therefore almost anything can become defective in time. So, hadeeth applied, even shaping the eyebrows should be okay if it is treated as a defect.
Example (realisitic): beauty is defined as having very fine eyebrows, everyone makes their eyebrows fine and you're the only one left with a huge mono-brow, it becomes a defect. Then is it ok to shape them?
well I don’t see why mundane issues such as beautification of eyebrows can be declared forbidden in Islam. It is written in may compilations of tradition as such, but ironically, the Quran is silent on such issues.
At many instances, there are za’eef riwaayaat even in the Saheeh books of Hadith, and yet this cannot be said about the Quran. That alone goes to tell you where to look for answers first and then cross correlate to hadith if they are in agreement, and not the other way around. Quran tells you to stay away from “fuhush” and “zana” which correlates to acts of indecency and adultry.
One could be cloaked in a multitude of veils and purdas, and still be indecent and even commit adultry…
Angel Eyes: Hair on the brows will grow back, so its not changing any feature. Just as you get your real face back after wiping off the make up, wait and your brows will grow back bushy after you thin them down.
The idea of comparing this discussion to the one done over the cow is ridiculous. These are pertinent questions over something we don't really know is even a command directly from God, or some slip of a fake report slipped into history and being passed off as a hadith. Questions over the cow were unnecessary and extraneous when a clear command had been given and was being delivered directly thru a Prophet verbally. These are written records that were among an even greater collection of so-called hadith that included fabricated reports which were mostly thrown out by hadith collectors that did their work well after the Prophet's death. The only way to figure out if these rules are worth following is to figure out if they're valid. You do that by comparing the command to the Quran. Comparing it to logic. Figuring out the reason for it, to see if it matches any principles of Islam. And to look at the chain of narraration to see how authentic it might be. This type of discussion and questioning is NOT AT ALL like the cow discussion.
whenever question something in Islam we always forget the basics. And the people who question too much are the 1st one in that list. Plucking eyebrows is haram as many already proved by posting the hadith. Now one can argue on the limits that may some scholars have provided. Regardless what the case is we always forget the hadith Prophet(SAW) in which he said "whoever falls into doubtful matters falls into haram". Why do something which could lead to haram? Will you die if you don't do it?
Allah ka banda, fact is that this commandment is coming from hadith, and yet is no where to be found in the Quran. Problem #1. If its in the realm of uncertainty, questioning it is mandatory upon a muslim. Otherwise people like Al-Bukhari and Al-Muslim are going to hell for even attempting to clean up the mess of hadith that had come about from people reporting things that were not true.
Secondly, the chain of narraration in this hadith is weak. And the fact that punishment for plucking the eyebrows is immediate hell is pretty harsh, and one wonders why things like this were not mentioned in the Quran. If plucking eyebrows = hell, and yet wearing lipstick does not, don't you think that God would have tried to clarify this seeminly illogical item to us in the Quran, so that we would accept it without question?
Third, the fact that a guy CAN pluck his eyebrows is even more disturbing? Is God trying to say women are beautiful and need to guard their eyebrows, and yet men are ugly and so they can pluck away if they want? If I were a guy, I'd be insulted by that. And yet, supporters of this hadith are pretty much leading you to believe this.
l0l @ saying chain of narrators are weak, its on the tongue on every lay men, any hadees they dont want to follow, they says weak hadees, weak hadees. l0l.
Of course its weak. Where does it talk about the an incidence where someone is reporting that they saw the Prophet do something about a woman who was plucking her brows, or heard him say something to a woman plucking her brows? That's a direct report of an incident. This is not even a direct report. This is just some individual saying that he knows that plucking is not allowed without even providing the narraration of an incident that tells him his theory is correct.
I guess you know more hadees that all the scholars of Isma from the first century till now. Next time if we have questions about which hadees is saheeh and weak, we shall contact you. :halo:
Secondly, the chain of narraration in this hadith is weak. And the fact that punishment for plucking the eyebrows is immediate hell is pretty harsh, and one wonders why things like this were not mentioned in the Quran. If plucking eyebrows = hell, and yet wearing lipstick does not, don't you think that God would have tried to clarify this seeminly illogical item to us in the Quran, so that we would accept it without question?
Third, the fact that a guy CAN pluck his eyebrows is even more disturbing? Is God trying to say women are beautiful and need to guard their eyebrows, and yet men are ugly and so they can pluck away if they want? If I were a guy, I'd be insulted by that. And yet, supporters of this hadith are pretty much leading you to believe this.
you mean if something not mentioned in Quran and mentioned in Hadees is not correct. OMG Give me a break
No, but if an issue not discussed in Quran and only discussed in one hadith that too without multiple witnesses and is about an issue as serious as declaration or haraam and halaal than we are bound to be suspicious. You know that Hazrat omar even in times just after the prophet never accepted any attribution to prophet without multiple witnesses. How can we accept if we claim to follow prophet and sahaba?
Why are you equating bukharee with Quran i.e. anything reported by bukharee is as true as quran. Can't he err?
staying clean is extremely important in islam --CLEANING the eyebrows thus should be allowed.
I also heard a lecture from dr. farath hashmi (who i know can be controversial...) but she made sense...that Alllah (SWT) has clearly made a difference (physically) between a man and a woman...thus a woman shud represent herself as a woman (less hair i guess??) and so cleanin the eyebrows--not necessarily shaping it should be allowed. She said you are allowed but how some women like shave and pencil it in...is strictly forbidden--its kinda gross if u ask me..
why do u care WHY girls do it? girls do a lot of things they arent suppose to be doing...just like many of us do.
i agree with tht most likely.. if it was allowed it would be to just follow ur natural line and not change the shape. i do my eye brows and onli follow the natural line and get rid of the extra hair so my eye brows look natural.
hmm. i shud ask wht my mom thinks bout this as she lets me do this :S :S
but i agree tht sayin its totally haraam and going around judgin gurls who do it isn't necessary.
Plucking eyebrows and waxing the rest of your body parts, are two different chapters.
Why is plucking wrong? A. Because that part is a sensitive part of our body, needs to be handled with care, extreme care. B. Back in Prophet's (PBUH) times, the prostitutes too followed hijab. And their arched eyebrows were amongst one of the vivid descriptions that set them apart from the common muslim females.
I've been born and bred in Saudi. 20% of their females bleach the extra-ordinary bits of their brows. The rest 80% plucks.
Wrong or right - everyone does it these days. Things change with time. Since our time and Prophet's (PBUH) time, things have changed, but that doesn't mean we're not to follow his actions or words.
Lets just not OVER-DO things. Thats all.
JazakAllah.
Haha Kareena Kapoor's never plucked her brows and she looks stunning. =P
Blah.
Why are you equating bukharee with Quran i.e. anything reported by bukharee is as true as quran. Can't he err?
just a lame excuse like other Hadees Rejector and Qadianeese
who says bukharee is as true as Quran
but we say what Hazoor Says is as true as Quran because , Quran comes with Hazoor
if you deny that then you will not be muslim , mind it
and do you have any idea of classification of ahadees
but how you will have that idea
you judge only based on your imagination
what you think is right should be right and what Ulmmah and sahaba worked for centuries are lier according to you
so by clamming any hadees wrong based only on imagination
is a claim that Naozbillah sahaba were lier and only you are trustworthy and muslim should listen to you , not to sahaba and ulmmah
before giving any fatwa based on your imagination
my humble request is to check out that , that paticular hadees lie in which classification of Ahadees then you can get idea that halal or haram can be based on that hadees or not
