Shaping The Eyebrows

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Salam to all,
Well sister PCg , i am not an aalim , so cannot say anythingabout the minute details of hairs between eyebrows and like that .I give down the reference to some of these questions below , which will help us more to understand.
Secondly sister , everything is not and cannot be mentiod in quran , quran gives general and prophet(peace be upon him) elobrated himm like how to offer wadhu , and namaz etc , every minute detail cannot be in quran and in quran it is written that " Prophet(pbuh) cannot speak from his own desire , it is wahi that is revealed upon him " , so all hadeeses are also wahi but " wahi ghai matlu" means wahi which is not recited or of which there is not “tilawat” , so we cannot say simply taht because it is not in quran , we cannot accept it …

the hadees is like that :
It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah said: “Allaah has cursed the women who do tattoos and those who ask for tattoos to be done, those who ask for their eyebrows to be plucked, and the women ask for their teeth to be filed for the purpose of beautification, changing the creation of Allaah.” A woman from the tribe of Bani Asad whose name was Umm Ya’qoob heard of that and she came and said, “I have heard that you have cursed So and so and So and so.” He said, “Why should I not curse those whom the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed and who are mentioned in the Book of Allaah?’ She said, “I have read what is between the two covers [of the Qur’aan], and I did not find anything in it like what you have said.” He said, “If you have read it, have you not read that Allaah says,

‘And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad) gives you, take it; and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it)’

[al-Hashr 59:7]?”

She said, “Of course.” He said, “He forbade that.” She said, “I think your wife does it.” He said, “Go and look.” So she went and looked and she did not see what she was looking for. He said, “If she had been like that, she would not be with us.”

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4604; Muslim, 2125

  So , this is hadees of muslam and bukhari , means , no oubt about its authencticity , its "sanad" or its "matan".!00% correct......

   So imean to say that there are many things for men also like gold and silk haram , but many wear gold chains around thier necks and wear "rao silk" clothes , so can i say since women wear silk and gold , what is the "logic" of its prohibition for men and many men also wear this so i also wear this !!!!!!!!

No absolutely no , the thing which is forbidden is forbidden , it is none of my business to enquire whats “logic” behind gold , silk or eyebrows …
To order is to obey…Similarly watching women and the women who pose itself so that men watch him are also cursed by the pophet(pbuh) , now 95% of our men , i also sometime do this , and i accept that but that not mean i try to keep on saying since many do this or what watching only cause , so it is a minor thing .Yes , by the weakness of my Imaan , i see that , but i will never say it is OK ,only watching …the thing which is forbidden remain forever , no matter whats are the consequences , or cultural boundaries changed…

                         If i watch girls , nobody will say a single word to me , similarly if some girl pluck her eyebrows , nobody will hang her to gallows , but plz. do not try to  wrap up  these forbidden things  in an envelope of  pseudo "justifications".............................

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=22393&ln=eng&txt=plucking

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http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=4610&ln=eng&txt=plucking

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Salam MKF , i have given the hadees above .......

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Thanx a lot. This is the spirit of Dialogue.

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Hmm, can anyone tell about plucking and tatooing practices of Arabs in those days?

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You mostly welcome

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plucking of the eyebrows is allowed only if ur cleaning it up (stray hairs etc).....however changing the shape or plucking beyond the natural brow line is forbidden.

why do u care WHY girls do it? girls do a lot of things they arent suppose to be doing...just like many of us do.

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That hadith looks a bit fishy. Even the female featured in it is confused about this idea and claims that she doesn't see any evidence of it in the religion. So where is there a direct example in Hadith of the Prophet actually saying / condemning someone for plucking the eyebrows?

One other thing that I now remember hearing is that in those days, some women would pluck out their entire brow and then redraw a fake brow in. Its also done today. And that was the problem, because why remove an ENTIRE anatomical feature that God gave you, and then REDRAW it in? Its like insulting God's work. But women are allowed to wear make-up, so how is SHAPING a brow any different? Its not a permanent change. Your brow hair grow back.

And muslim history is rich with the art of threading eyebrows.

I also don't get the thing about fillings of the teeth - what fillings are we talking about? So if I have a cavity, I can't get a darn filling??

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*No, it is not permissible for females to pluck their eyebrows. Rasulullah
(Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) cursed a Mutanammisa (a female who seeks to remove her eyebrows). *
- Mufti Ebrahim Desai

**Mullah Ali Qari (R.A) has commentated that plucking of the facial hair is haraam (prohibited) for a woman with the exception of moustache or beard hairs, if any woman is unfortunate enough to be troubled by these. (Mirqaat Vol.8 Pg.295; Ashrafiyyah).

However, if the eyebrows have become so dense that it is unseemly for a woman and incites abhorrence in her husband, it is permissible to trim it to a more appropriate and normal size. **(Ahsanul Fataawa Vol.8 pg.76; Zakariyya Book Depot)
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
Mufti Bilaal Cassim

What is the obsession with marriage?
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According to traditional Islam (following of one of the 4 madhabs) fillings are permissible if they are needed*

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*It is established from Imam Abu Hanifa and his top students (Allah have mercy on them) themselves that it is permitted to use fillings (though not of gold according to the Imam) when there is need for them. *[Tahawi, Sharh Maani al-Athar, 4.257; Kasani, Bada’i al-Sana’i5.132; Marghinani, al-Hidaya; al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, 5.336; Haskafi/Ibn Abidin, Radd al-Muhtarala al-Durr al-Mukhtar, 5.231]]
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Just as fillings are allowed, within certain parameters, it is possible there are allowances allowed for altering eyebrows within certain parameters. It might be the difference between plucking stray hairs versus giving shape vs. removing the entire brow. :)

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I hope someone here undertands what I am going to point out with the following aayaat:

وإذ قال موسى لقومه إن الله يأمركم أن تذبحوا بقرة قالوا أتتخذنا هزوا قال أعوذ بالله أن أكون من الجهلين
قالوا ادع لنا ربك يبين لنا ما هي قال إنه يقول إنها بقرة لا فارض ولا بكر عوان بين ذلك فافعلوا ما تؤمرون
قالوا ادع لنا ربك يبين لنا ما لونها قال إنه يقول إنها بقرة صفراء فاقع لونها تسر النظرين
قالوا ادع لنا ربك يبين لنا ما هي إن البقر تشبه علينا وإنا إن شاء الله لمهتدون
قال إنه يقول إنها بقرة لا ذلول تثير الأرض ولا تسقي الحرث مسلمة لا شية فيها قالوا الءن جئت بالحق فذبحوها وما كادوا يفعلون
وإذ قتلتم نفسا فادرءتم فيها والله مخرج ما كنتم تكتمون
فقلنا اضربوه ببعضها كذلك يحي الله الموتى ويريكم ءايته لعلكم تعقلون

Islam is a perfect way of life designed to give eminence to mankind... please wake up.

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^
yes that bit of asking too many questions is a trait came to us from Bani Israel as Prophet:saw: already warned that his ummah will follow them bit by bit…

As for the topic between filling and eyebrows, please do not fix it if it is not broken!

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Check this:

  1. It would be permitted for a woman to remove a beard or a moustache that appears on her face. Even though it is facial hair, but since it is to stop women from resembling men, it is permitted. This is the opinion of the majority of scholars, in fact they have said it is recommended, not just permitted. The same will be to bleach this hair instead.

  2. If the eyebrows are linked in between, it would be permissible to remove the excess hair from in between to separate them *. The reason for this is that linked eyebrows are looked upon as a defect, hence it would be permissible to remove it.

  3. A ‘few’ stray hairs around the eyebrows would be permissible to remove by clipping them off, if it looks defective, or for married women creates abhorrence in their husband. This does not mean it is permitted to remove a whole line or two of fine hair from around the eyebrows [as is the case nowadays].

  4. Dense bushy eyebrows may be trimmed down to a more normal size. However, one must exercise great caution in this regard, since one does not want it to fall under the warning of the hadith. If one is not sure how to determine the normal size they should not act on the benefit of the doubt, but rather follow the more cautionary approach and trim less. What so called ‘regular’ [especially non-Muslim] people consider nowadays as the norm i.e. eyebrows that are shaped in particular unnatural or reduced to thin lines can not be considered as acceptable in Islamic law due to the severity of the hadith.

  5. Great caution has to be exercised in this regard, since the hadith is very strict and there are some Hanafi scholars who have taken more strict position. For instance, Mullah Ali al-Qari (Allah be pleased with him) comments [relating from Imam Nawawi] that plucking of the facial hair is haram (unlawful) for a woman with the exception of moustache or beard hairs (Mirqat al-Mafatih 8:218). The concessions mentioned above are for the removal of a defective appearance and not for purely beautification purpose, hence, caution in this matters is the way.

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=4427&CATE=90*

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Woah - I don't get this: The concessions mentioned are for the removal of a DEFECTIVE appearance, and not for purely BEAUTIFICATION purpose...?

If you're trying to make yourself look less defective, its only logical that you're trying to make yourself look more beautiful.

And if no beautification is allowed, then pray tell, why is make-up permissable in Islam?

I don't understand how people work with such logic. The hadith is so removed from the original source. Its of a report of an incident removed from the Prophet. There is no hadith that I'm seeing here directly of the Prophet condemning the shaping of brows.

I think MFK is on the right ground here. Its useful to see exactly what the Arab women of that time were doing that the idea of prohibiting brow plucking was even brought up. Were they just shaping their brows, or were they removing them entirely? Seriously, from what I recall reading is that they were removing them entirely.

You need good Islamic history background to understand these things. Just quoting from places like sunnipath isn't enough, because you don't know the level of knowledge of the people writing the responses. Not that they don't try to do a good job, but self-research is also important.

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with makeup ur not really changing ur facial features....removing the brow or giving it a new shape is changing a feature that Allah gave u...as u mentioned.

from my understanding......Prostitutes in the Prophets SAW day n age used to "reconstruct" their browline......which is why the Prophet SAW forbade it.

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You are confusing two things. If A is not allowed it does not mean if B is allowed then why not A?.. that is not the logic that Islam teaches. Sorry to say but the west has influenced your thinking.

I do not know how much knowledge the sunnipath team has..but..
http://www.sunnipath.com/about/academyTeachers.aspx
http://www.sunnipath.com/about/answersTeachers.aspx
http://www.sunnipath.com/about/mgntTeam.aspx

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Typical sterotype response, you are under west's influence.

No one of us deny that prophet should not be obeyed. I will use Hazrat Abu Bakar's famous reply, "If he said, than its true" We are also replying the same. Prove that if he said. simply a chain of narrators is not a valid critreia even in Islam which asks for multiple witnesses. If there are multiple witnesses to our prophet statements than it is true however if there is only one witness to some statement which tantamounts to forbidding something in Islam, that remember you people are accusing our beloved prophet of being careless in transmitting something so important to only one person. This is blasphemy.

I am not doubting on that one Sahabee, I am doubting that some one down the chain attributed his own thoughts to that sahabee and ammended Islam according to his wishes, I wonder why are we so naive?

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I wonder why we question so much?

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cricketplaya, because it is our nature and gets us into trouble everytime:

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Thank-you.