Shame on Indian team supporters

This happened during the ODI the other day and now again today during the T/20 match. Shame on these ignorant fools.

Moeen abuse shows cricket’s dark side

The booing of Moeen Ali at Edgbaston revealed the ugly side of sporting rivalry and suggested intolerance remains in the UK. It should not be ignored
George Dobell at Edgbaston
September 7, 2014
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It should have been the perfect end to an absorbing summer of international cricket. We had beautiful weather. We had a sell-out crowd. We had a run-soaked T20 that contained outrageous skills and an exciting finish.
We should have gone home talking about MS Dhoni’s decision to turn down singles in the final over. His self-confidence and his preparedness to take responsibility for the team. Or, perhaps, his lack of confidence in his team-mates.
We should have gone home talking about Virat Kohli’s only half-century of the tour in international cricket - the same number as James Anderson - or Eoin Morgan’s brilliant innings. The England captain, so short of runs in international cricket this summer, helped England thrash 81 from the final five overs of their innings and scored 56 in the 15 balls before his dismissal. We might even have witnessed the birth of a new-look England side for both forms of the limited-overs game.
Either way, this should have been a brilliant advert for cricket. But instead there was a sour end to the summer. An unsettling end. An end that suggested, for all the progress we think we have made in creating a multicultural society in the UK, we have a long way to go.
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Because, in the middle of Birmingham on a bright afternoon in 2014, we saw at least one player subjected to abuse from a far from insubstantial section of the crowd on the basis of either his religion or his national or ethnic origin.
Moeen Ali was booed when he came out to bat. He was booed when he came on to bowl. He was booed most times he touched the ball. And he was booed either because he is a player of Asian origin playing for England - Ravi Bopara also attracted some boos, though far fewer - because he is Muslim or, perhaps most pertinently, because he is of Pakistani origin and the vast majority of the crowd were India supporters.
On the back of every ticket and inside every match programme it states: “Spectators shall not engage in any conduct, act towards or speak to any player, umpire, referee or other official or other spectators in a manner which offends, insults, humiliates, intimidates, threatens, disparages or vilifies that other person on the basis of that other person’s race, religion, colour, national or ethnic origin.”
By such a definition, it is impossible to justify these boos. It is inappropriate to dismiss them as “banter” - an invidious description used to excuse sexism, homophobia, bullying and racism in many walks of life - and it is inappropriate to dismiss them as a symptom of any rivalry that exists between Pakistan and India.
Nor should we link this with the booing experienced by Stuart Broad in Australia and James Anderson and Ravi Jadeja this summer. Those jeers, unappealing though they were, do not stem from a dislike of origin or religion. They reflected specific issues.
Nor should we fool ourselves that these are pantomime boos. Just as the monkey chants that used to shame football grounds in the UK were unacceptable, so it must be unacceptable to hear a player derided for their religion or origin. It is not funny.
And let us not mistake this issue with any pretence that this is simply a manifestation of support for India. Spectators are free to support whichever side they like and the passion for cricket from spectators of Asian origin in the UK is of huge benefit to the game. But there is a chasm between supporting one side and denigrating the players of the opposition. It would be irresponsible to link the two.
What, it might be asked, would be the reaction if an all-white crowd booed a player of Asian origin? What would be the implications if a black player was booed each time he touched the ball? If such behaviours are deemed unacceptable - and, thankfully, in this day and age, they are - why should the booing of a man on the basis of his religion or origin be any different?
Moeen was born in Birmingham and he graduated through Warwickshire’s youth system. He has a mixed-heritage family with a white grandmother from the Birmingham area. His religion or ethnicity should not be issues and he has previously said that such behaviour does not affect him.
But there is an irony that Moeen has spoken of being a role model. He has spoken of showing that it is possible to be British, Muslim and proud of both. He has spoken of encouraging other Asian cricketers into mainstream league and club cricket in the UK. He has, despite his relative youth and inexperience, spoken only of inclusivity and unity. He makes an unlikely villain.
The episode proved difficult for the ground authorities to handle. Had the stewards started to eject those involved, the situation could have deteriorated. Had Morgan, who denied any knowledge of the booing, led his team from the pitch, the situation could have deteriorated.
But just because a situation is difficult, it does not mean it should be avoided. This sort of episode should not happen. It must not happen. And if we find it unacceptable - and we really should - we must not ignore it. Whatever the many mistakes of the past, 21st century Britain cannot be accepting of intolerance based around race, religion, colour, national or ethnic origin, sexual orientation or any other such issue.
**Cricket can unite. In Afghanistan and the Caribbean and LA and Ireland, it has been shown to bring people from differing backgrounds together. It does it in league teams around the country every week. Here it provided a peek behind the façade of multicultural Britain. It was an ugly, depressing sight. And it should not be ignored.

George Dobell on the booing of Moeen Ali | Cricket News | England v India | ESPN Cricinfo**

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There was another article that puts the issue in context. South ASIAN fans have been booing cricketers of SOUTH ASIAN origin who play for England. A conservative politician tried to make this abt patriotism - lack of it. Others dismiss it as fans showing loyalty to their place of origin.

Shame on those who attempt to portray this as an INDIAN fans issue. It is SOUTH ASIAN fans.

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80% of the people in that stadium were Indian team supporters not mongolians. Accept what is wrong is wrong.

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Read what I wrote. It is not black and white.

Of course when india plays majority would be Indian fans, not Mongolians or Tahitians.

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England abuse hints at deep malaise | Cricket News | England v India | ESPN Cricinfo

Here is the article I referred to. Speaks for itself.

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Afridi was right isnt it?

Indians have small hearts :@:

You should learn to accept facts and numbers.
You cant get enough of pointing the finger at pakistan and islam but cant even admit the truth about ur own nation.
This is an indian fan issue. Just like in all your anti islam/pakistan threads u blame islam/pakistan rather than individuals. Funny thing is im not even pakistani and ive noticed it lol I thought someone was kidding when they said this place has a high concentration of hypocrites. Its completely true.

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If I am anti anyone, you are a troll.

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Indians suffer from a massive inferiority complex not to mention double standards.

On the one hand, Kashmiris students studying in India get expelled for cheering for Pakistan, yet Indians who have lived in the UK for generations can cheer for India still? LOL.

As for booing Moeen Ali, this shouldn't come to much of a big surprise. It's Indian culture to lie, cheat, steal and insult afterall...they did the same to Monty Panesar and that Patel guy who played for New Zealand.

Indians are just weird to be honest....don't really get them.

Southie; If only you could handle criticism the way you criticise islam and pakistanis. You might be a better person. I said might so dont get too excited.

Be careful. Indians are allowed to say what they like about pakistanis and islam here but its not allowed to go the other way. Even if its true. You may get infraction points.

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Infraction points for what exactly? And who here is Indian anyway? It's the truth.

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I supported the right of the Kashmiri students to cheer for Pakistan. Go check that thread. Was against their expelling. While it may be inconvenient to know the truth the Kashmiri students were reinstated as they should have.

Unlike some here, to me cricket is a sport. It has nothing to do with patriotism. True patriots pay their taxes. In India and Pakistan there r hardly any true patriots. People avoid paying taxes when they can.

I don't know you. Not sure why I should "take ur criticism" when u spout lies abt me being anti Pakistan and anti islam. You ought to be ashamed. That's just my opinion.

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This thread has certainly brought the least common denominator out of the woodwork. Enjoy the bashing. Am out.

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^^^ I couldn't careless what you think or what indians think lmao.

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careless or careful?

lmao

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uncle jee...aap to naraz ho gayee..

i know that you are one of the most liberal and peace loving Indian posters here....and i hope you also know that i have been labeled as Mr. India many times....right? well actually i have been blatantly abused by some for being Mr. India few years ago!!!

having said that we always need to be introspective because that is the only way you can get to the root of the problem. we can always call it a subcontinental issue but is it really? maybe it is..maybe it is not....lets see

correct me if i am wrong but i dont think that pakistani fans in england booed ravi bopara, ram parakash, nasir hussain or monty when they played against Pakistan.....so you are on a weak footing here...

but wait....you can argue how come indian fans never really booed when owais shah and sajid mahmood of pakistani origin played for England against india..and yes owais played 14 ODIs and sajid played 4 ODIs against india ( i did my search!).... so what is going on?

the next logical point would be to gauge the extent of performance...moeen ali deeply embarrassed mighty indian batting line up who is known for its supremacy against spin bowling..moeen (just a part time spinner) not only punctured this bubble but also contributed massively to indian defeats in few test matches.......so indian fans may be feeling humiliated by moeen...and therefore showed their negative side.

counter argument could be that owais shah actually performed quite brilliantly against india scoring 1 century and 3 fifties in 13 innings averaging close to 40... he was however never booed by indian fans...

so why moeen? to he honest owais or sajid ali never really embarrassed indian team with their performances but moeen really embarrassed indians..... a team who treated a genius spinner shane warne like a part time bowler got trashed by a part time spinner so brutally.....

plus he was positioning himself like a role model for young....so composed all the time........and some indian fans just could not take it and it did not help that he was of pakistani origin.....sala pakistani....double bai-izzitie and indians fans completely lost it and in the mean process embarrassed themselves even more...

after-all indians did not booed Moeen in beginning when his own performance was poor.....and he was nobody for indians....

kiyon uncle jee? kaya khiyal hai.... hota hai kaabiee kabiee......

now it will be interesting to see pakistani fans/ reaction if monty destroys pakistani batting lineup....but pakistani batting line up is so crappy that even i can get them out under 50 on a good day!!!

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Phoenix -

Introspection and over analysis is my curse! So yeah I do plenty of both. Am sure you as Mr. India can identify. I get labeled similarly among right wingers across the border. Back on topic.

I don't know the two persons u mentioned - sajjid and owais? But your counter points indicate that indian fans didn't give them a hard time. Not sure how much of booing Moeen Ali was subjected to. Let us Hugo with a lot - as you stated. Yes, the reason could be as simple as what u portrayed. Humiliation by a spinner, who is very similar in terms of background and ethnicity. So yeah they got overboard. Remember, India got an ash whooping. So the fans let out some steam.

Please read the link I posted. Conservatives have had this issue wrt SOUTH ASIANs since late 70s. This is nothing new. And not limited to Indian fans.

Booing is part of sports. Sometimes we boo those we respect the most. The press is turning this into something sinister. Which it is not. In fact, without some booing games can get dull.

Especially in the era of sledging by players, wut are you talking about sirjee.

Boo and let boo should be the motto.

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owais and sajid both are of Pakistani origin and played for england against india...so relevant comparison. owais actually scored well against india, as i said before.

anyway uncle jee...yes booing is just fine as long as it is done based on a players' poor performance, his arrogance or weird habits/behavior or what not...but this particular booing has a very strong ethnic angle and therefore should be condemned without any reservation. Now if conservatives have booed south asians that is equally bad and must be condemned as well.

uncle jee you are again defending this type of ethnic booing.............

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You misunderstood. I stated conservative politician had brought up this topic in 70s. That SOUTH ASIANS were booing or rooting against England. Nothing new here is what I am saying.

I am stating booing within limits should not be over analyzed. Part of the game. Also one should not extrapolate based on one data point - Moeen Ali booing.

I got what you said abt owais and sajjid. And was also agreeing with your plausible explanation re indian fans gelding humiliated. Hence booing Moeen more severely than normal.

Also you can't deny that this series was marred by Anderson Jadeja ugly episode. A respected member here had "predicted" bcci with all its powers would get the desired outcome. Whereas I knew that the power balance is still tilted westward in cricket. So there was more than usual bad blood this time.

I get disappointed when everything is viewed from India pakistan or hindu muslim angle. Read my link. It will be clear it is more of a south Asian issue. Regardless of whether booing is ok or not.

My point here is - don't make this an india or a booing a muslim issue. I am not debating if such booing is ok. IMO it's ok. But that is just my opinion.