I think you are possessed by more than one shayateens⌠This is a new one talking now⌠Which man? what? what?? Oh⌠I think I need to avoid you like plaque from now on. I wish to remain sane. I was doing quite well until before interacting with you.
vroom, you really need to have a hardcore exorcism performed on you to free you from all those satanic possessions you got attracted from the graveyards because of your practices of interacting with the âSOULSâ of the dead people. Iqbal Salafi will be the best person to perform it on you. If you dont trust him, visit someone you trust. Regardless who you choose, it surely will help in all cases.
Iqbal Salfi needs help himself. He might even be one who messes around with jinn as he claimed others do.
Any way in his second video, jadoo aur uska ilaaj part2, @ 16.30 he says that esal e sawab practices such as eating food is Shirk. he gives the example of a single chawal upon which ghairullah name has been said, and then goes onto include Giyarhvi in this. This is an absurd claim taken direct from Ibn Abdul Wahab Najdi
Basically this claim involves trying to say what is given or slaughtered or prayed over for a person is Shirk. However the slaughtering and dua is to Allah Subhanahu so it cant be shirk, its for the person only in sawab
Based on the fact that he says shaitaan makes people do ghair sunnah and ghair islami things, i say he is a shaitan himself for his incorrect takfir and the fact that despite reading Quran and Sunnah he does not know what shirk is
so he, iqbal salafi, claims mastery over jinns but the jinns are only listening to him because he is a bigger shaitan then them!
If any one has any counter arguments on this point, come forward
Alot of lay people listen to music but it is not something supported by Sunni Islam. I do not listen to music. So you cant claim listening to music is a sign of being sunni. As the newer movements become bigger their lay people do these things as well. For example when my family visit pakistan they are invited to a ahle hadith home to watch indian movies! Most western salafis watch american movies and or football
The lay people have their own rules. Where i live there is lots of deobandis - they also have social ills
Please explain why you called me a shaitan. That would be interesting
but was not kidding about you being possessed by a devil from the graveyard
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o sorry Iâm sleepy right now and on mobile so havenât read your posts with focus and not able to reply properly. Will do when Iâm online fm laptop and after reading your posts.
this thread
has become such a comic I feel
i wanted to to share the value able info in the videos with people.
I donât even visit Graveyards myself. Its the aqeedah and our beliefs that i have been talking about. I have visited two Mazaars myself just for experience. One I was the only visitor there, my religion benefited from that [a question i was stuck on regarding shirk was explained a few minutes later by the Awliyaâs Son, a Shaykh, without me asking! EXACTLY WHAT I WENT THERE TO GAIN!] and the other one had a lot of people wondering around for a day out. It was not a pleasant experience because a lot of the people there were very liberal]
Sister please please if there is anything about what i have said that you are unable to accept is from Islam please please quote me, In Sha Allah I will explain.
Dont worry about the thread, take note on my point against iqbal salfi - the guy is not someone to follow. I know he has a very interesting topic to talk about. he talks about the jinn, shaitan and the unseen, its all very interesting but alongside that the guy is a serious Mubtadi and his takfir and shirk allegation on esal e sawab may be a takfir upon the whole of Islam! - That Bad of a shaitan!. The second part that i have now listened to was an advertisement for his work, and i think he tried his best to sell himself as the top jinn remover. Donât be impressed by words, be impressed by correct Islam
I know why you found it beneficial - the topic and the guy keeps talking as if he knows what he is talking about. Sounds convincing. I understand
Iâll be able to quote you only once I read your last few posts explaining Islam.
Re Iqbal Salafi, as I said, in both the videos, he has explained things which have answered all the questions I have had for few years. One of which is 786. Being from a family which considered astrology, numerology, palmistry and studies of similar subjects as SCIENCE and little or no problems with fortune telling (Just like majority Pakistani households), I, myself, had and studied tons of books on those subjects. There was a time, I used to predict matters in peopleâs lives quite accurately that one of my uncle suggested I should become take it up as a profession as he thought with my accuracy, I could earn big money. I used to study and read peopleâs charts, numbers, palms just for fun but was quite good at it. And there are so many other things I did in life not permitted in Islam. Knew they were not permitted but due to no suffient knowledge, used to just assume that people have just made up those things and why Islam would forbid gaining âknowledgeâ. Anyway, what I mean is I know what he is saying about 786 is correct.
Re giving away charity for dead relatives, I am still researching on it. I have not yet accepted in by heart especially because my parents have agreed to almost everything (fortune telling, music, etc.) but this practice they think is not unIslamic as theyâre giving away the food in the name of God with an intention to send sawab for the deceased ones. Anyway, rest of the information is extremely informative.
These issues must have been covered in first video [which sent me to sleep]. I will get back to you on this, if i can
So your an ex fortune teller!
I can give some information regarding the Sunni position towards Esal e Sawab (the speaker you listened to and his group do not believe in esal e sawab at all.) The proofs for it are Strong. What iqbal salfi said was blatantly wrong, and i called him a shaitan for it.
Hadeeth 32
Reported S. âAâisha (Allah be well pleased with her) : Allahâs Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) commanded that a ram with black legs, black belly and black (circles) round the eyes should be brought to him, so that he should sacrifice it. He said to âAâ;isha: Give me the large knife, and then said: Sharpen it on a stone. She did that. He then took it (the knife) and then the ram; he placed it on the ground and then sacrificed it, saying: Bismillah, Allah-humma Taqabbal min Muhammadin wa Al-i-Muhammadin, wa min Ummati Muhammadin (In the name of Allah," O Allah, accept on behalf of Muhammad and the family of Muhammad and the Umma of Muhammad")****. (Muslim)
You claim to be spreading message of the last prophet PBUH while at the same time lie & ill mouth someone. You cant show by action that you follow the sunnah, how can I believe you to be representing the sunnah? If thereâs anyone who has a very good potential to be a bigger shaitaan, that is you. Stop maligning other people who have courage to speak the truth which you dont have as you lied in your posts only to prove your point. When I say youâre possessed, Im giving you benefit of doubt that you might be under influence of demons of the grave yards because you mentioned earlier somewhere that you visit the graves, talking to dead people while sitting on their graves. A wali of Allah (What youâre pretending to be) does not ill mouth others. Obviously youâre influenced by evil demons. It shows.
Re your video links, youtube is banned in Pakistan. And Ill find my own sources about the subject because I do not trust you for any information you provide because it will be biased.
Let me get this, So youâre a fortune teller, youâre scholar is making takfir upon Islam and I am the one who is a lying shaitan
The last time I asked you about you calling me a shaitan, you said you were joking. So i take it something I have said since then has caused you to put a shaitan fatwa upon me, and that you are not too bothered about what your pir says but I should not be speaking against him because you posted the video of him and this would be a slur against you.
Pakistani link is included with the video, but its not a matter of accepting what i am saying. I am giving you a correct interpretation on this issue. At the risk of a jadugar like iqbal salfi [But Allah Subhanahu is my protector]. In the end you will Go where you want. I guess we know where that is, I repeat smaller shaitans follow him because he is a bigger shaitan
So as per you, because I have been screaming my throat out all over this thread from the beginning that all the forms of fortune telling are satanic practices while you on the other hand trying to convince me that it is very much islamic to visit graves and communicate with âsouls of the deadâ to discover your DESTINATION makes me a fortune teller? And because Iqbal Salafi who explained with micro details why these and many other practices which are considered to be Islamically acceptable by muslims specifically Pakistani muslims are actually satanic traps to deceive us and must be avoided by all the muslims makes him a bigger shaitan and me understanding thoroughly and agreeing that fortune telling is a satanic practice makes me a fortune teller and a smaller shaitaan?
If there were any doubts before, there are no more. You are here posting in this thread only because youâre carrying out your masterâs job to discourage the truth from reaching out to people. As I said in my very first post, I can sense attacks of the agents of Iblees from the jinns and humans very well. You are here only to attack me because I tried to create awareness about the satanic practices which are now norms of Pakistani muslim society. You are just doing the job youâre assigned to do which is totally AGAINST the quran and sunnah.
I know little demons, agents of satan have way too much time on their hands because thereâs nothing constructive in their lives where they can keep busy, such as, remembrance of Allah or spreading a good word instead of attacking good people all the time. Make your way to the graveyard and continue your communication with the souls of your deceased relatives to discover your DESTINATION in the world and the hereafter. Dont keep coming after me because no matter how hard you try, you cant stop me from speaking the truth. Youâre only trying to engage me in useless idle talk. Anyone whoâs serious to learn and gain knowledge, those lectures are sufficient. Hence, this is my last post to you. Youâre a waste of time and space.
Nope, not me
The initial sufi person we were set to discuss was abandoned due to our differences in beliefs
The sufi discussion would have had to be a learning experience for me [not a subject, i could tell you something] - a genuine look into the subject
That is still on offer but i had demanded an understanding on another subject. Also I went into a little bit about what Ahlus Sunnah wa Jamaah believed.
These topic should be looked at separately from the topic of âthe sufi who knows thingsâ. His case is specific to him, meaning that individual sufi.
More subjects were added as we replied more to each other
No. iqbal salfi says shaitan opens a way for himself by making people do ghair Islamic things. Then he goes onto say esal e sawab food is Shirk and kufr. This is why i called him a shaitan. By his own reasoning this is because the food of esal e sawab is not shirk or kufr. He has told us he is a shaitan.
So you need to get an understanding of this point. I even said he is making takfir of Islam, which should be easy to refute because its big bold statement (big bold statements are easy to refute when wrong)
No thatâs not true
I opened up issues on what was acceptable to Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah. Not what you are focused on. The reason for my action was that you were rejecting even what the Ahlus Sunnah believe in, so i added the beliefs of Muslims into the mix. Which you have not replied to so we are in limbo about what we are trying to achieve. Not moving forward
That is why this is getting extremely frustrating because this discussion is getting no where. Please letâs not waste time over this. Im really not interested in more and more arguments over religion. As far as you and I are not following anything which is against the teachings of the quran and sunnah, that should be fine. See this is such an important information:
Just follow that and dont come back with newer excuses of why you do not accept what the above scholar is saying. Because what he is saying makes sense. So, letâs spend time on constructive activities than this idle talk of nonending useless arguments which is getting no where. This is deception of the shaitan to make humans think we âlearnâ through arguing and talking and discussing. No. We learn by reading, thinking, pondering, reflecting, searching⌠self learning. If the desire is honest, God opens ways to the true guidance, path and information. I do not know everything. Im also learning like you. But I dont want to learn like this. This is a very wrong way. End of discussion please.
Remembrance of Allah, zikr of Allah, reading quran, good deeds, acts of kindness attract angels hence create good aura around you which everyone can feel in your presence. Conversely, destructive, negative, ill and evil thoughts will attract evil demons creating a dark, sinister, repulsive aura around you. So, please letâs focus on our daily activities which benefit us and others around us. Thanks.
P.S: âAdd to that keeping physically clean and pure at all times. Not sure if the shaikh in the video mentioned that. Much needed for the Pakistani muslims to know this.â
^^ Exactly, that is what I meant when you said souls of the dead remain in the graveyards and people can communicate with them by visiting graves. Actually, it is the qareens of the dead ones not their souls. And those qareens are not necessarily in the graveyards but their presence could be experienced in any other place. I would love to listen to the complete lecture but the sound is so unclear due to echo-effect.
Erm, no. The People retain a connection with their bodies and resting places.
You know that video you posted at the top of this page is about benefit from sitting at the feet - well the same concept applies to their Graves:
âImam Ibn al-Haaj (rah) states: It is recommended to visit graves of Saliheen in order to obtain Barakah from them, because the benefit which is obtained by them during their lives is also obtained after their deaths. It has been a norm of Ulama and Muhaqiqoon to make dua near the graves of righteous people and also to ask through their intercessionâŚAnyone who has some need, he should go to the (graves of righteous) and make them WaseelaâŚâ
Taken from: Building Structures over graves & Recitation of Quran on Graves.
Benefit from passed on people and their souls is slightly different a subject. The first benefit [dua] we take from them is them returning our Salam when we say As-Salamu Alaikum Ya Ahlal Qabur⌠. This is the first benefit and is almost a direct conversation between us and them (not their Qareens)
Qareens âcan live onâ would be a possible indicator for some visual sightings of people, other then The Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam. Here in my opinion we have to go back to the Hadiths of The Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam to determine if the dream or visualization was a good one or bad (my comment is looking to the Hadith which states that good dreams are from Allah Subhanahu wa Taâala and bad dreams are from shaitaan)
So this possibility does cloud some other issues but benefit from the souls is unaffected for the most part
In terms of effect. The Qareens possibly living on [for unknown length of time], here we are concentrating on the bad one, the effect of it is already Mashur [famous] by the Hadith which tells us we can be imitated by the shaitan the accursed
Data kolo pucheya, Mei Khawaja kolo pucheya, Pak wattab jah ke Baba kolo pucheyaâŚcontinues
Meaning I have asked Data [giver] Ali Hajveri [Data Darbar], I have asked Khawaja [another passed on Saint], and Baba [passed on] at the Pure land..continues
Sady - not to argue, but we can talk canât we? - I did think you went having unconsciously acknowledged the Datas and Babas. So i was happy that you had ended this argument having âData and Baba kolo puch ke..â although you are not allowed to visit darbars [being young female] but you had acknowledged the permissablity for others
I donât even visit Graveyards myself. Its the aqeedah and our beliefs that i have been talking about. I have visited two Mazaars myself just for experience. One I was the only visitor there, my religion benefited from that [a question i was stuck on regarding shirk was explained a few minutes later by the Awliyaâs Son, a Shaykh, without me asking! EXACTLY WHAT I WENT THERE TO GAIN!] and the other one had a lot of people wondering around for a day out. It was not a pleasant experience because a lot of the people there were very liberal]