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They were still attending their patients as far as I know.
Non emergency ops were cancelled and GPs were only attending to emergencies.
In Pak, the YDA was on strike, not all Dr's. If the rest of the medical community supported them (which they should do), critical patients would and should have not gone without care. As I pointed before, young doctor's should not be wholly responsible for patients anyway. If they are, this is a serious problem with the system which needs to be addressed and no doubt one of the reasons for striking in the first place.
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rana sana says that the strike is over whereas YDA is saying that if the arrested doctors are released they will open the emergencies but the strike will continue in the OPDs. This guy has given a realistic analysis of the situation and the governments response.
Doctors’ strike: other side of the picture
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The writer is a Lahore-based reporter for The Express Tribune
I was at Piccadilly, the cafeteria at the King Edward Medical University (KEMU) and Mayo Hospital, with a doctor friend when another doctor came to our table and broke the news that some 450 doctors had been transferred by the Punjab government. “Are the transferred ones from the Young Doctors’ Association (YDA)?,” inquired my friend. “Yes”, he replied.
“The government will have to withdraw these orders. It’s an attempt to break the YDA but it will backfire”, said my friend. This was April 11, 2012. At that time, I thought my friend’s prediction was a valid one. But the next few days proved me wrong. The doctors had been transferred to adjust 691 newly-recruited doctors. In protest, the YDA, Punjab announced to go on strike in Lahore from April 12. On April 16, the YDA extended the strike to the rest of Punjab and put up an additional demand of being provided with a service structure, which attracted doctors from across the province and even those who had not been transferred started supporting the strike. On April 19, the strike was called off after the government withdrew the transfers. However, by then, the demand for a service structure had been raised and the YDA asked the government to comply with it.
However, no development took place on the provision of a service structure and the YDA announced that it would again go on strike from May 9. After the strike announcement, the government negotiated with the doctors and a committee was formed to submit its proposals to change the service structure by June 7. The deadline expired without a consensus developing between the government and the YDA on the issue. From June 18, the YDA started its province-wide strike.
Many believe that going on strike was a mistake on the part of the YDA. That may be true, but in my opinion, the Punjab government committed an even bigger mistake by starting a crackdown on doctors on July 1. I have been reporting on this issue from day one, and I know that by July 1, the YDA, Punjab had divided into two groups. Its members from south Punjab weren’t willing to continue with the strike and same was the case with the members from Gujranwala. Had the government not arrested the doctors, the situation would have fizzled out and the strike would have failed. The government’s crackdown, however, united the entire medical community.
The problem is that every time the YDA came on the roads to protest, their demands were accepted, which made it believe that they only had to come out on the roads and their problems will be solved. Had the government avoided acceding to the YDA demands in this manner, things would have been different. And if the government hadn’t employed highhanded methods, the situation would have returned to normalcy. The raids on doctors’ hostels and their arrest gave the medical community the higher moral ground to continue with their strike, which has worsened the situation.
Every day, numerous Pakistani doctors are hired by Middle Eastern countries. This trend has to be halted but this will never happen if the government insists on registering criminal cases against doctors. The government needs to handle such situations in an appropriate manner. It needs to learn to do backdoor negotiations to win the doctors to its side if it really wants to improve the healthcare system. Doctors, too, need to understand that they shouldn’t be led by those who believe in indulging in hooliganism in order to achieve their ends.
Published in The Express Tribune, July 5[SUP]th[/SUP], 2012.
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So you're saying they are actually people with high morals who have turned into leeches after attending the medical school. I wonder what were their reasons for entering a medical school and becoming doctors, specially the male students, because we know females study medics to get good rishtay. lol
I dont know..wont say much as my husband and i both have come from the background education from pakistani med schools. Hubby is MA almost a consultant. And despite being in the uk for 8 years, he's all ready with his heart to go back and settle there and work for good. We have no khandani private practice setups either.
I am tired of reminding people that these drs were attending to the A&E patients throughout and were only forced to abandon after thy had been cruelly beaten up and tortured by the police!!!!
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My question to all posters remains simple: Do you allow someone to die because you aren't paid adequately?
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YDA are saying strike will continue till the implementation of service structure.
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YDA are saying strike will continue till the implementation of service structure.
"whatever it takes" ... you forget to mention that. And we all know what it is taking.
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I dont know for how long this will continue, YDA demands costed 7 precious lives or kitne jaane jayeinge najane!
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"whatever it takes" ... you forget to mention that. And we all know what it is taking.
Emergency closed a couple of days ago after the governments crackdown on doctors (the same government which becomes deaf and blind when it concerns sectarian killers). Other wise how many people can be killed by closing Out patient departments?
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Even one death will be a tragedy. Ask those who lost their loves ones. And the crackdown began only after the expiry of a three-day deadline by the Punjab government which was issued after a stalemate of over 10 days.
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My question to all posters remains simple: Do you allow someone to die because you aren't paid adequately?
When I asked this question, I was given responses like, "where were the senior doctors?". I don't know who's right and who's wrong.
I mean everyone is suffering in Pak, it's not like junior doctors are any different to others. They came out on roads after the free laptops scheme...I say give them each a free laptop.
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Young doctor's initial years are always an investment into social capital and skills enhancement. I haven't seen a doctor above 40 years of age who's working for government and not running a private practice or laboratory. The salary they draw from government is peanuts compared to what they make from private practices which thrive more if you are working in one of the better government's hospitals or teaching colleges.
I have seen very few engineers who do consultancy on the side and other than that rarely any other government employees who make money in addition to their salaries (other than haram khori).
I would rather have government charge doctors fee for providing training at hospitals funded with public money.
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Is it a science Hareem that you tell patients since I am not earning enough, I won’t treat you even if you die? 
Is it ethically, morally, socially, humanly correct? It is only financially correct.
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Some reports saying that YDA is willing to end the strike if the government agrees to drop all the charges...
...about bloody time, if true.
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its true govt lied, they mishandled the situation and even media has over sensualize the issue, in spite all this, it still does not justify leaving unattended patients and refusing to treat them, because you are not getting desired salary.
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Solidarity with doctors | DAWN.COM
**WASHINGTON, July 5: Thousands of American physicians of Pakistani origin will observe a day of solidarity with young Pakistani doctors on Friday, urging the government to accept their demands.
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The physicians, who are attending the 35th annual meeting of their organisation called APPNA in Washington, will wear black armbands and march on the streets in support of young Pakistani doctors.
**On Thursday, APPNA adopted a resolution, saying that “the current strike in Pakistan and its handling by authorities is alarming to us”.
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They urged the Pakistani government to “resort to serious redress of the issues of health service structure and other demands of young doctors”.
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Who cares about dying poor people .
Strike is disturbing ordinary people ,Not them who afford private and military hospitals.
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Medicine is a profession like any other profession. People choose for professional education for reasons everyone knows! When the wages and working terms&conditions are unfair for anyone, they keep demanding higher authorities and put forward their problems usually. If no one listens for months and they are compelled to compromise on their basic life requirements, what other way of protest than stopping to work do you people suggest?
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Doctors are not forced to work for government and they should not be. If they do, they should accept the terms and conditions offered when they accepted the job, like any other organization.
Engineers cannot really do 'private practice' while in government jobs.
Heavy working hours for doctors are a training for them that most doctors in the west can only dream of. Most of the doctors I know prefer government jobs at the start of career because they have so many opportunities to learn at the job and make contacts for their future private practice.
One might think that if conditions are so bad, why most of the intelligent and bright students still prefer going to a medical school in Pakistan. They do get quality education and opportunities in future (having established a private practice) are fantastic. I can compare financial position of an average doctor in Pakistan in his/her 50s who has been working for government for years to that of an engineer working same number of years for government. The gap is HUGE, unless the engineer has 'other means' of income ;-)
Young doctors have been taking initial difficult years of work at government hospitals as training on the job for decades now. I don't know what really has changed so suddenly.
Classic reply to bloody doctors and their supporters!
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just now! finally doctors are retuning to emergency wards.