Shab Barat Divali, Diye Patakhe

arain_munda · July 4, 2012, 2:07pm

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tmam bhai or behnain meri bt sunain ptakhey wegaira chlaney se perhaiz kerain ye gair sherye hy. baqi ibadaat kerain, or khana khilanay main to bilkul koi hrj nei hy. doosron ko khana khilanay ki to targeeb b di gye hy islam main. pr ptakhay na chlain ye paisay zaya krney k ilawa kuch nei hy.

LP · July 4, 2012, 2:09pm

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They do it Eid pe not on shab e barat :no:

muqawwee123 · July 4, 2012, 3:43pm

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But again doing it on eid is also a new phenomenon, why don’t they call it Bidda because it was not done during the prophet and his companions’ time

muqawwee123 · July 4, 2012, 3:45pm

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What is this 24 numbri… Is it double Isna Ashri?

LP · July 4, 2012, 3:54pm

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its just a part of the other eid programs they have…at the end of the program…they hv firecrackers at the corniche…on the 2nd and 3rd days of eid

i guess tabeeghi jamaat walon ko they call tht…jo bhi tha my experience of beign caleld tht wasnt v pleasant

Lilly · July 4, 2012, 6:39pm

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I think fireworks should be banned on Shab-e-barat as it makes no sense.

kaka_in_usa · July 4, 2012, 7:26pm

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Good info.
next diwali we will detonate our nuclear bomb to celebrate diwali and will wait for pakistani tablighi jamaat to force govt to get rid of their nukes.
jeez it was so easy all along. ;)

ninja_hattori · July 5, 2012, 2:33am

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Exactly it has nothing to do with religious importance of shab-e-barat...we dont have fireworks at our place

muqawwee123 · July 5, 2012, 5:07am

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But don't you think that festivals and their way of celebration relates to culture of the area and not the religion?

Dronacharya · July 10, 2012, 6:03am

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Tabligi Jamat movement emerged in India because of the insecurity of Muslim leaders that poor Muslims would lose their 'Muslim identity'. Consequently they sought to purge all 'Hindu influences' from the Muslims in the subcontinent.

This purging is done by behaving more Arabic than Arabs. So no, for these types there is no distinction between local culture and religion. As they say Islam is not a religion but a way of life.

I am sure Ninja miyan will agree ..

muqawwee123 · July 10, 2012, 6:39am

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Behaving more Arabs than the Arabs.. Shah se ziada shah ke wafadar

What do you say ninja?

ninja_hattori · July 10, 2012, 6:41am

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The more sunnah we follow more we will be detached from local culture…I think so…
What do you think muqawwee bhai…

muqawwee123 · July 10, 2012, 6:49am

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There are certain Arab traditions which have been considered as part of the religion or Sunna.

Let me give you an example:

IMO cultures are affected with the climate (weather, etc) of a particular area. Wearing Jubba is a Arab tradition suitable for climate of Arab territory, however, wearing Jubba is not weather friendly in other parts of the world. By not wearing Jubba, one is not denouncing Sunna, but accommodating himself according to the local climate.

Same thing can be applied in following the traditions and other cultural aspects of an area.

ninja_hattori · July 10, 2012, 6:55am

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Islam is not against local culture but..according to islam...shariah and sunnah should be guiding principle of life instead of local culture..
When we show disregard for sunnah and give preference to local culture then its wrong....

muqawwee123 · July 10, 2012, 7:18am

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There is no rigidity in Islam to follow each and everything of Arab traditions in the name of Sunna. Following culture is not disallowed unless it leads to unislamic practices, and what is Islamic and unislamic is in the hands of fundamentalist for the time being :(

ninja_hattori · July 10, 2012, 7:23am

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Only practices of Mohammad:saw2: are considered as sunnah by muslims…no one practice arab tradition as sunnah…

Dronacharya · July 10, 2012, 7:30am

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IMHO, the subserviance and sycophancy to the Arabic culture amongst the Indic Muslims is more due to their insecurities rather than strength in their faith. In countries like Turkey,Iraq, Eygpt all reminders of preIslamic antecedents have been wiped out or preserved in museums so they do not mind taking pride preislamic heritage. Even in Pakistani newspapers one often reads articles that Pakistan should reject barbaric invaders like Qasim and Gaznavi and 'reclaim' its iVC and Buddhist heritage.

Another example: in the abovementioned countries the first name is often 'Muslim' and the second name indicates preislamic heritage. In Afghanistan names like Amhadzai, Karzai, Poplazai, etc. indicate tribal affiliations. But Indic Muslims have completely adapted arabic 'Muslim' names. They are constantly reminded of their Hindu roots by the very existence of living breathing neighbours. There are more 'Sheikhs' and 'Syeds' in the Indian subcontinent than the whole population of Saudi Arabia. One hardly ever hears of a Ahmad Patel or Javed Anand. Allah forbid, they be mistaken as idol worshippers :)

Dronacharya · July 10, 2012, 7:31am

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Like I said, lest you live like Prophet Muhammad [pbuh] lived in 7th century Arabia, you are not a ‘true Muslim’.

muqawwee123 · July 10, 2012, 7:31am

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But who will decide that a particular act is a religious practice or Arab tradition. This is very confusing and controversial topic. There are people who consider Haj and related rituals belonging to pagan traditions.

ninja_hattori · July 10, 2012, 7:32am

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Every act of Mohammad:saw2: is religious act…