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Lack of sexiness leads to Tharkism...
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Lack of sexiness leads to Tharkism...
Its due to high libido
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Too much biology… 
yeh to koi daktar hi bata sakta hia…
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'Liberty' means the freedom to choose..
At least she had the choice..
topic is sexism penetrated into society.
yes she had a choice to sell her sex. she had a choice to degrade herself.
and actually, her choice is being influenced by media. so its not her own choice entirely.
atleast you cannot claim the absence of sexism in western society where women in business are instructed to target men and men are instructed to target women. thats what we call shamelessness.
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What was the observations to reach this conclusion?
At several department stores I went to, I noticed that in the cosmetics section there was a section for men's products. This was not limited to cologne and aftershave type of products as is typical in most countries and included things, such as corrector, concealer, toner, anti-aging serum. The fact that there are so many cosmetic products for men indicates that there is the expectation that men also keep up a certain image.
I have family in Dubai and I once spent the entire summer holiday (about 3 months) staying with them and I noticed quite a few things in this regard too.
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At several department stores I went to, I noticed that the cosmetics section there was a section for men's products. This was not limited to cologne and aftershave type of products as is typical in most countries and included things, such as corrector, concealer, toner, anti-aging serum. The fact that there are so many cosmetic products for men indicates that there is the expectation that men also keep up a certain image.
I have family in Dubai and I once spent the entire summer holiday (about 3 months) staying with them and** I noticed quite a few things in this regard too.**
What were those few things in that regard beside cosmetic products?
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What were those few things in that regard beside cosmetic products?
Well, in my observation, men seem to be expected to look their best in the same way that women tend to be. In interacting with acquaintances of my cousins living there, it seems that they don't view it as a "pretty boy" characteristic for men to get a manicure (obviously not nail polish but just the nail care bit), maintain their hair and eye brows well groomed, spend on anti-aging/skin care type products, or be well dressed. Of course, I'm not implying that this applies to everyone as there is individual difference too.
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What is the definition of Sexist Society?
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What is the definition of Sexist Society?
A society that has set expectations for men and women.
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A society that has set expectations for men and women.
Are those expectation related to gender? How women and men looks, behave?
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topic is sexism penetrated into society. yes she had a choice to sell her sex. she had a choice to degrade herself. and actually, her choice is being influenced by media. so its not her own choice entirely.
atleast you cannot claim the absence of sexism in western society where women in business are instructed to target men and men are instructed to target women. thats what we call shamelessness.
Our choices may be influenced by the media, but the media most certainly does not make our decisions for us. We have the final say in what we do or don't do as we are not zombies. As humans, we have the mental capacities to actively decide whether or not we want to do something and there are many people who go against the expectations touted by the media. Frankly, giving the media that much credit is overestimating their reach.
As far as the latter statement, you may find it shameless but the practice you described is common in advertising/sales in various countries. not just in the west. It has long been documented in marketing that people respond better to a sales pitches from the opposite sex. This has been known by marketers for ages and has nothing to do with sex, morality, or shame but simply increasing sales, which is what marketing departments are paid to do.
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Yes. All of the above. :k:
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Our choices may be influenced by the media, but the media most certainly does not make our decisions for us. We have the final say in what we do or don't do as we are not zombies. As humans, we have the mental capacities to actively decide whether or not we want to do something and there are many people who go against the expectations touted by the media. Frankly, giving the media that much credit is overestimating their reach.
Yes, we as humans too are responsible but would you agree that media do have its evil part? I guess you would not agree. lolz.
In fact, media influence our choices to great extent.
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As far as the latter statement, you may find it shameless but the practice you described is common in advertising/sales in various countries. not just in the west. It has long been documented in marketing that people respond better to a sales pitches from the opposite sex. This has been known by marketers for ages and has nothing to do with sex, morality, or shame but simply increasing sales, which is what marketing departments are paid to do.
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Just because it is documented in marketing does not mean it is fair and good.
And how come you say it has nothing to do with sex after saying opposite sex respond each other better?
Do you know why opposite sex respond better?
Because marketers aim at triggering the sex intent of customer. And, if you are maketing for providing needs then you dont need such cheap tactics.
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Just because it is documented in marketing does not mean it is fair and good. And how come you say it has nothing to do with sex after saying opposite sex respond each other better? Do you know why opposite sex respond better?
I did not state that the practice was fair or good. What I stated was that it was not new as many people are under the impression that this is a new phenomenon and blame modernity when, in reality, it is not. If one looks at advertisements from the 1950s and 1960s, one can see that the same tendency is there. My other point was that marketing is not about being fair, good or moral, but about increasing sales and that therefore, we should not be so surprised that they resort to such tactics.
Because marketers aim at triggering the sex intent of customer. And, if you are maketing for providing needs then you dont need such cheap tactics.
That is the problem. The majority of the products and services that are marketed these days are not "providing needs" and are more about catering to people's wants, rather than their needs. Do people actually need skin lightening creams, luxury cosmetics, designer clothing, Range Rovers and many of the other goods that are being marketed these days? Nope, they don't.
Honestly, marketing has never been about providing needs for people, but rather about making people believe they need something in order to persuade them to buy it and increase sales.
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I did not state that the practice was fair or good. What I stated was that it was not new as many people are under the impression that this is a new phenomenon and blame modernity when, in reality, it is not. If one looks at advertisements from the 1950s and 1960s, one can see that the same tendency is there. My other point was that marketing is not about being fair, good or moral, but about increasing sales and that therefore, we should not be so surprised that they resort to such tactics.
That is the problem. The majority of the products and services that are marketed these days are not "providing needs" and are more about catering to people's wants, rather than their needs. Do people actually need skin lightening creams, luxury cosmetics, designer clothing, Range Rovers and many of the other goods that are being marketed these days? Nope, they don't.
Honestly, marketing has never been about providing needs for people, but rather about making people believe they need something in order to persuade them to buy it and increase sales.
before the advent of marketing in its latest form, was there no concept of sexist societies? Is it just marketing that triggered such attitudes? I'm not sure media and marketing are the culprits in totality.
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before the advent of marketing in its latest form, was there no concept of sexist societies? Is it just marketing that triggered such attitudes? I'm not sure media and marketing are the culprits in totality.
I think sexist societies have always existed because all societies have set expectations related to gender. These differ according to the different cultures and some societies are more flexible about this than others, but the expectations are still there.
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I think sexist societies have always existed because all societies have set expectations related to gender. These differ according to the different cultures and some societies are more flexible about this than others, but the expectations are still there.
Is being sexist always carry a negative connotation? genders are naturally different, so there must be certain differences and different expectations. Can we say that the person who invented the idiom 'jis ka kaam, ussi ko saajhe' was a sexist?
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Is being sexist always carry a negative connotation? genders are naturally different, so there must be certain differences and different expectations. Can we say that the person who invented the idiom 'jis ka kaam, ussi ko saajhe' was a sexist?
Personally, I do not think that expectations are negative per say. We all have some sort of expectations of others and that is natural. Expectations only become negative when people are strictly limited to and are forced to remain within the expectations.
I also wanted to add that I do not believe that it is just marketing that has triggered such attitudes. Marketing, in its present form, has simply made these attitudes more visible.
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Personally, I don't think expectations are negative per say. We all have some type of expectation of others. Expectations only become negative when people are strictly limited to and are forced to remain within the expectations.
I also wanted to add that I do not believe that it is just marketing that has triggered such attitudes. Marketing, in its present form, has simply made these attitudes more visible.
Do religions contributes to these attitudes? Are religions just put their guidance keeping in view the already set and accepted criteria of the society where these religions flourished?
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How do you define a sexist society? Is it just gender discrimination?
I mean is the term 'sexist' or 'gender discrimination' well defined and doesn't change from culture to culture?
In a particular society, what does affect sexist behavior of people? Culture? Religion? or its something else?
Its culture a 100%. No religion in my opinion teaches any society at any time to be sexist. Be just towards each gender, but don't be sexist.