...Sex And Protection...

This may be a heated topic but let’s try to stay calm and not cross the line of decency. Please be careful with the selection of words that you use here.

[note]Before I start, this topic is NOT to discuss whether pre-marital sex is morally/religiously right or wrong. This topic is also NOT about whether the guy is to blame or the girl is at fault. This thread is also NOT about whether the fetus that resulted from unprotected sex should be terminated or not. If you wish to discuss either one of these topics, kindly start another thread. I request moderators of Life 1 to keep a close eye on this thread to ensure that appropriate terminology is used.[/note]

Lately I’ve been hearing a lot in news and from people I know that young girls are getting pregnant left and right. Some of those girls are in their teen years and are not married. What I don’t understand is that how come they (boy and/or girl) don’t use protection before getting physically involved with each other? Abroad (UK, USA, Canada etc.) you can get simple protection (condoms) from stores without any prescription. In countries like Pakistan/India, condoms are available at shops as well as at community health centers.

Is the ability to think before getting intimate limited? Or are they lazy to get protection? Less pleasure? or what? I don’t know any stories first hand but do you know of anyone that got pregnant because they did not use protection? Keep in mind, using protection and it failing is one thing, but not using anything at all is another. Not only can girls end up getting pregnant but unprotected sex is not safe either.

Any thoughts?

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for younger generation , I think that thought process might be that if you carry protection with you , you were planing for sex in advance

desi girl would appear right out slut and desi guy would appear pervert if she/he is carrying condoms with them

that might be one of the reason of not having protected sex

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If you are talking about teens or pre teens , what I would guess is that most of the time they do not plan to have sex, they are being intimate and the things get out of hands one thing leads to the other and inevitable occurs. They are not prepared for the occasion and do not have control on themselves either.

I live in USA and I have come across lots of articles about pre teen girls getting pregnant.

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Teenagers are by nature very impulsive creatures. This contributes much to the problem - they really dont plan ahead and maybe if they DID, the consequences would be less. But then, in THEIR minds, if they "plan ahead" and buy condoms or birth control, then they are REALLY bad - as opposed to "well, things got outta control and just, well - HAPPENED." In their minds, this may be better than doing the evil planning to do the nasty, kwim? Yet as far as the parents are concerned, I think the vast majority would go out and buy protection (as opposed to having a teen pregnancy I mean). Yes, yes, kids need to be raised to above all respect the opposite sex and wait for marriage but it doesnt happen all the time and if its GONNA happen, I'd really rather buy my boys condoms than have them come home and tell me that I'm gonna be a grandma!

There will always be the gals too, who WANT to have a baby, WANT to "trap" a certain guy and so get careless with protection. The best men are snapped up more quickly is the thinking....so what better way to snap them up.

The best thing to do is to be VERY open with your kids, whether they are girl or boy. The more easily you talk to them - and they to you - the better chance you have of avoiding this type of situation altogether. Mine are still very young but I make sure to talk to them about EVERYthing, that they can feel comfortable coming to me with anything and everything. Talking about sex to your kids is IMPORTANT, it can save their very life so dont be shy about it.

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You did not make any offending comments only a naive one. You are implying that all the boys and girls in AIDS free world are angels and nothing of the sort happens.
When I was growing in the biggest city of Pakistan the boys and girls were openly talking about sex and all the other taboos in mohallas, schools , colleges and universities . Boys and girls who could get a chance were having sex . Yes not all of them very few but that was because they could not get that kind of opportunity yet most used to look forward to get 'lucky'. The controls are tight in those countries and pressure to not do such a thing or face consequences ( which are very harsh in most cases) keeps most boys and girls in check and in line but , some get 'lucky' , you know and in some cases the girl gets pregnant. Ever heard of honor kiling ?

TLK, Mirch, & MamaOf3 I see your points and I agree that if teens (especially desi teens) planned this in advance, they would seem to be sluts/perverts. However, I guess it is then the parents' (as MO3 said) responsibility that they educate their children about sex and about respecting the opposite gender. I don't mean to promote pre-marital sex, but it happens, and to avoid such situations, one should always be thinking because it is better to carry (or go to the store and get it) protection than come home and tell parents that we are expecting.

Knockout I didn't mind your post and I welcome all points of views. Since I could not cover all "don't talk about this" in my note, I thought my message was clear that we are talking about WHAT causes the pregnancies, not whether we should have pre-marital sex or not. But that's okay, feel free to talk about what in your opinion goes wrong and girls end up getting pregnant. :) As Mirch said, not all people in aids-free world are angles. I know of a few guys in a village in Pakistan that have sex with girls, be it in the house when the girl puts sleeping pills in the food of her family or in the middle of the tall crop in the fields, but it happens.

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Shikra I applaud you for opening up a thread which may be controversial among desi's. It is indeed a topic that needs to be discussed among all cultures.

I would like to point out Shikra's moderator note and remind our members to please refrain from being judgemental and to stick to the topic being discussed. All posts that are irrelevant will be removed.

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I knew a girl in college who must've been fairly intelligent to have gotten in, but still didn't use protection, eventhough college campuses have it readily available. I don't know why.

She was fairly intelligent and did not use protection , it means one thing she wanted to be a mommy more than a graduate of the college.

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u see people having sex everywhere on the tv, magazines, couples outside etc etc.
the thing that does not have enuf (media) attention is the protection.
so in my opinion kids/ teens are being confronted withe the lovemaking. sex side of things more than to the protection side and what may go wrong in the deed.
therfore more focus is needed on the protection side.

but a lot of times peepz just think 'oh that wont happen to me',,,shut your eyes for something you dont want to happen to you, when it actually can and also does.

I think its just their thought that this couldn't happen to them(pregnancy)
And to top it off There is so much less importance given to the spread of AIDS.More or less the younger generation has turned a blind eye to such a serious disease.They think they are invincible.

FASanti & Ask Would you two agree to what others have said above that parents are somewhat responsible for this irresponsible behavior? I am not saying that parents get all the blame because I realize that kids can be sneaky, but if the media is portraying sex as something harmless (before marriage), healthy, and normal (i.e. everybody does it), then I believe parents should be working even harder to educate their children about the harms of it, especially pre-marital (whether pre-teen, teen, in 20s) sex, and make them realize that their are consequences of unprotected sex. Those few moments of pleasure can change their lives and that's may not be what they had planned/hoped to achieve in life.

I hate to shift the focus on Desis, but I have to, as this happens among desis as well and because this is a Pakistani discussion board AND because this subject is a taboo among many desi families. I know we have many parents of young children on this board and I hope that you guys realize that no time to talk about such topics is "too soon". Kids grow up before we even realize it. I believe desi parents should encourage their children to attend sex education classes. Us siblings did attend those classes in middle school and high school but I know a few families that chose to opt out of those and send their kids to the library during those class sessions. I don't think that was a better choice. Those classes are helpful and they teach you about protection and STDs and believe me, you think twice before doing something without thinking.

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I think kids are immature & irresponsible. I just think they don't always plan it out. And in the heat of the moment, they may not think about the consequences and just proceed unprotected. Now I have a question/thought to express.

I know non-muslim parents may have the "talk" with their kids & all...but from what I know it is on the basis of getting pregnant, diseases..wait until your ready...etc.
How do we as muslim parents bring the topic up? My son is young, but like someone mentioned time flies and sooner than later he'll start to grow older in this culture.
How do you teach them the proper way, and hope they will abstain?

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I have 2 little daughters and just the other day my husband and I were talking about realities of life, this topic being one of them, and how we could protect our daughters. I know Shikra doesn't want this thread to take a religious turn so I won't go there, but I think if from a very early age we could be best friends with our children and create an environment of trust between us, maybe my girls could trust us to discuss what's on their minds or what other girls are doing and their influences and inclinations. Maybe as parents we could be more invloved in their lives not to the level of being wickedly inquistive but sharing our values. I guess a lot has to do with the temperature at home and the example we set as parents, the kind of social set up we have and what we do in our spare time. If kids are invloved in healthy activities they may not get distracted that easily.

It's a very good question and the answer can be very tricky and is sensitive depending on the situation when you are talking to the child.

First of all, just to clarify and I am sure you know this, your husband should talk to your son about this topic. If you have a daughter, you should talk to her. That way both the child and the parent will feel comfortable and would ask any questions that he/she may have.

As for HOW to address, I am not a parent yet, so I am sure others will have practical answers, but if I were the parents and it was time for me to talk to my son, this is what I would do:

Instead of taking the child into a room and talk about it in a serious environment, I would take him out on a "father-son" day and we would probably go out and eat.** Also*, I would tell him in advance what this trip will be about so that he is mentally prepared to talk about it or ask any question. Then I would shed some light on the topic both from religious perspective **AND* worldly perspective (i.e. STDs, responsibilities etc.).

I would also give him a chance to communicate back and ask any questions. Most desi parents (at least my dad) don't give a chance to children to ask any questions. They would "lecture" and tell what's on their mind and then that would be the end of it. I am sure there are exceptions but this is what most of my friends' parents do as well. So please avoid this. Any discussion should be two-way, otherwise it's rather a message.

EDIT: Niksik you guys have a great plan and that is how I plan to raise my kids. There's a fine line between being friendly with kids and being too nosy and it seems like you guys are aware of that line. Unfortunately by the time most desi parents want to become friends with their kids (in teens or later), by that it's too late. Kids are kids, at times they will even "hate" their parents but that's them. The key is to respect the fact that they need their space and they can't be all friendly and all sharing at all times. Again, sounds like you already know all this and you have a very good plan that will work out very well when executed. Good luck :)

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Hiya Shikra,

well i most certainly do not agree that parents are to blame.
i understand that there is a gap between parents and children (ok most of em and esp in desis) when it comes to the topic sex.
its even hard for em to talk abt periods, mostly the schools eduacate kids in this and else they find out thru friends/ tv or when they go thru it;)
anyway a parent has got a hard enuff job as it is and so many responsibilities. one may question then kay wo bachay kyun lete hain if they cannot take responsibilities. but its justtoo easy to blame the parents for everything. esp when stuff goes wrond its either our parents our else the Almaighty that didnt look after us or properly.
and if parents forbid certain things whats a kid gonna do? exactly disobey! coz what is that thing we are not allowed to do? it must be something great! (kids think) or they'll be choking of all the rules and then just do whateva they want and end up i a way they carry heavy consequenses.
i guess its just too easy to blame the parents or society etc etc.
there comes a time in a persons life that you are responsible for what happens to you and you should carry the consequenses. if u are old/ mature enuff to make ur decisoun to have sex then you are old enuff to carry the consequenses.
am i being too harsh? i dont think so.
i think we are all responsible for own actions.
if you can breath, eat, drink, sleep, walk, think for yourself then you most certainly are responsible for all u do.
anyway schools and governments should make more effort in talking bout such issues and schools should also let the parents know when and what they teach kids about sex etc.

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FAsanti, you are right that parents cannot be blamed for each and everything, but they are greatly responsible for the actions of little kids and teenagers. After that everyone develops their own personality due to influences of society, the environment, education, exposure, etc. Also, the postive or negative influence of a parent on a young child greatly determines how that child reacts to certain things when he/she grows up. Of course we cannot blame that it's entirely the parents fault if a teenager choses to have premarital sex but maybe the parents did not transfer the value of responsibility that may be lacking in the kid's mind when he/she was getting carried away. But again, that is just my opinion.

I agree with most of your post but would like to comment on the bold statements and the statements in red.

In my previous post, I did not say that we should conveniently throw all the blame on the parents. What I asked was that do you think that the parents are somewhat responsible for irresponsible actions of children.

The statements in red contradict each other. In the first statement, you are admitting that their is a gap between children and parents and children find out about menstrual cycles and sex from friends, media, school, or by going through it themselves (for the most part)........and then instead of suggesting that parents should change the way they deal with kids, you are suggesting that the government and schools should put more effort into it and schools should let parents know when and what they teach kids about sex. Well, then what exactly are parents' responsibilities?

A good education and upbringing starts from home. Sure school and government programs can help, but some of the responsibility still falls on the parents.

As for if parents forbid kids from doing something, they will still do it. Again, I agree as I said it in my post as well, but as Niksik said, the kind of relationship that you have with children can make a big difference. If you kids are scared of you, sure they will lie and disobey you, but if you are friendlier with them and they trust you and can talk to you about anything, then I don't think that the children will disobey their parents and do things behind their back.

As for your statement that if one can eat, breathe, sleep and walk etc., then he/she is responsible for his/her own actions. Not entirely true. Teenagers can also think, walk, sleep, and breathe, but that doesn't mean that they are mature enough to make wise decisions. They still need guidance, be it from parents or counselors at school. So you can't hold children entirely responsible for their behavior. Again, that doesn't mean that they are free to do anything, it only means that someone (parents, teachers etc.) should show them the difference between right and wrong when they are young. We all make mistakes, adults make mistakes too, but children make more mistakes as they are still in the process of learning. They can't be let lose so that they can make wrong decisions and put themselves in unwanted situations.

Heat of the moment. It not only teen or pre teen who end up in this situation but many older ppl as well. Everyone knows about the protection but sometimes there is just not enough time.