i recently applied to this restaurant as a part time job…just wanted to know if Muslims are allowed to just serve alcoholic beverages?
Reference from Qur’an and/or hadith will be highly appreciated . Thanks.
i recently applied to this restaurant as a part time job...just wanted to know if Muslims are allowed to just serve alcoholic beverages?
Reference from Qur'an and/or hadith will be highly appreciated . Thanks.
Keep looking for a job that has nothing to do with khamar but until then you can carrying on working in this restaurant....this is the view of some of the scholars.
There are some very famous ahadith about the person who's indulged in khamar related work. I'll find a ref.
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Br. FrozenFire,
There are ahadith that prohibit such, one is listed below:
***Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi #2776, Narrated Anas ibn Malik***
Allah's Messenger (saw) cursed ten people in connection with wine: the wine-presser, the one who has it pressed, the one who drinks it, the one who conveys it, the one to whom it is conveyed, the one who serves it, the one who sells it, the one who benefits from the price paid for it, the one who buys it, and the one for whom it is bought.
Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi #2776, Narrated Anas ibn Malik
Allah's Messenger (saw) cursed ten people in connection with wine:
the wine-presser, the one who has it pressed, the one who drinks it, the one who conveys it, the one to whom it is conveyed, the one who serves it, the one who sells it, the one who benefits from the price paid for it, the one who buys it, and the one for whom it is bought.
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Thank u very much guys.
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You're very welcome.
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But remember - it only applies to wine. So go serve margaritas martinis and scotch all you want. BTW, those are better tippers than wine drinkers
But remember - it only applies to wine. So go serve margaritas martinis and scotch all you want. BTW, those are better tippers than wine drinkers
Peace Tariq Akhtar
Are you prepared to hold the responsibility of this injunction on the Day of Judgement? That all the Muslims who served non-wine alcoholic beverages to the people have done so on your 'authority'? Will you accept responsibility for this? Or will you have to concede that you were but toying with interpretation choosing the literal word to mess with the earnest Muslims?
People have messed with other scriptures in the past, be it by allegorical interpretation or by over literalism. Please let Muslims decide which way to go now ... your people have had their chance.
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Psyah
Sure thing. I'll even give whover wants a written record right here. But make sure you drink in moderation, tip well and make sure they don't put any wine in your drink.
What do you mean by "your people have had their chance?'
Messing with scriptures eh? So we should just let you decide when to take things literally and when not to? Why is that? Such blind trust is what has led to jihad meaning terrorism and suicde bombing today.
Wth do you feel qualified over everyone else in the muslim world to decide when a hadith should be taken literally and when not? Everyone else is a fool, is that it?
Save your fiery edits starting with unmeant "peace" for the next speech to teenagers seeking glory
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Looks like tirmizi was out there to make Islam the most harsh religion on the face of earth, whatever is not made a punishable crime or haram or gunah per se in Quran have been made punishable crime , haram and gunah in tirmizi with the help of ahadees. Remember only Allah has the authority to declare anything which is haram that too in Quran , no where else anything can be declared haram. That said, I am not condoning making , selling or serving alcoholic beverages . But Hadood of Allah should be kept to the point and limits mentioned in Quran.
Quran has not categorically declared Alcohol haram. Quran has not categorically declared paying of interest haram. Yes alcohol has been declared a very bad thing but not haram, also receiving interest has been declared haram but paying of interest is not.
But you will find ahadees in tirmizi which have gone beyond the hadood of Allah , those ahadees are doing what Allah has categorically forbidden , that is going beyond or crossing the hodood of Allah.
Psyah
Sure thing. I'll even give whover wants a written record right here. But make sure you drink in moderation, tip well and make sure they don't put any wine in your drink.
What do you mean by "your people have had their chance?'
Messing with scriptures eh? So we should just let you decide when to take things literally and when not to? Why is that? Such blind trust is what has led to jihad meaning terrorism and suicde bombing today.
Wth do you feel qualified over everyone else in the muslim world to decide when a hadith should be taken literally and when not? Everyone else is a fool, is that it?
Save your fiery edits starting with unmeant "peace" for the next speech to teenagers seeking glory
Good one Tariq.......but I don't think Psyah can be educated as he has already crossed the point of no return. When ppl start classifying ppl as your ppl and my ppl they have already lost it.
Psyah
Sure thing. I'll even give whover wants a written record right here. But make sure you drink in moderation, tip well and make sure they don't put any wine in your drink.
What do you mean by "your people have had their chance?'
Messing with scriptures eh? So we should just let you decide when to take things literally and when not to? Why is that? Such blind trust is what has led to jihad meaning terrorism and suicde bombing today.
Wth do you feel qualified over everyone else in the muslim world to decide when a hadith should be taken literally and when not? Everyone else is a fool, is that it?
Save your fiery edits starting with unmeant "peace" for the next speech to teenagers seeking glory
Peace Tariq Akhtar
In that case this very moment is crystalised for time to come. Let's see how you will get out of this one!
Looks like tirmizi was out there to make Islam the most harsh religion on the face of earth, whatever is not made a punishable crime or haram or gunah per se in Quran have been made punishable crime , haram and gunah in tirmizi with the help of ahadees. Remember only Allah has the authority to declare anything which is haram that too in Quran , no where else anything can be declared haram. That said, I am not condoning making , selling or serving alcoholic beverages . But Hadood of Allah should be kept to the point and limits mentioned in Quran. Quran has not categorically declared Alcohol haram. Quran has not categorically declared paying of interest haram. Yes alcohol has been declared a very bad thing but not haram, also receiving interest has been declared haram but paying of interest is not. But you will find ahadees in tirmizi which have gone beyond the hadood of Allah , those ahadees are doing what Allah has categorically forbidden , that is going beyond or crossing the hodood of Allah.
Peace bro Mirch
Yes the Qur'an has categorically declared alcohol to be avoided. The actual words are 'la allakum tufliHoon' meaning 'Avoid them to be successful'. The avoid word in this sentence is in the imperative sense. However, your point stands which allows the Hanafi madhab to allow alcohol on medical grounds. Generally the meaning is taken of the alcohol in the drink sense and the hadith clarifies what is in the Qur'an it does not go beyond it as you have specified as the instruction to 'avoid' is actually a lot harsher than it appears in English.
Good one Tariq.......but I don't think Psyah can be educated as he has already crossed the point of no return. When ppl start classifying ppl as your ppl and my ppl they have already lost it.
Peace Rocking vibes
It took me some time and patience with a few people on this forum to determine which position they stand. There is no purpose for Tariq other than to cause mischief, and his latest post determines that. All you have done is commended him in that mischief. When people are themselves not ready to included then it becomes a necessary thing to say ... la kum dena kum wali ya deen.
Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi #2776, Narrated Anas ibn Malik
Allah's Messenger (saw) cursed ten people in connection with wine:
the wine-presser, the one who has it pressed, the one who drinks it, the one who conveys it, the one to whom it is conveyed, the one who serves it, the one who sells it, the one who benefits from the price paid for it, the one who buys it, and the one for whom it is bought.
Talk about people messing with scripture - or even what people call scripture. How can something that someone put together 200 years after it was supposedly said be called scripture? Sounds like another religion I know.
Anyway, all who live in US are being cursed since they are benefiting from the price paid for it (wine is taxed).
Talk about people messing with scripture - or even what people call scripture. How can something that someone put together 200 years after it was supposedly said be called scripture? Sounds like another religion I know.
Anyway, all who live in US are being cursed since they are benefiting from the price paid for it (wine is taxed).
Peace Seminole
The hadith have been around since during the life of Muhammad (SAW), it was the grouping and classification of hadith that took place many years later. You can actually read some hadith where someone had quoted somone who has quoted the prophet (SAW) because he was there.
As for the money linked with the sale of wine it only applies to the direct supply chain and not the state generated income from it, because those benefitting from that are totally unaware of it and cannot be held accountable. Look at all those people who are mentioned in the hadith they all are inherently in positions where they must know what they are doing. On another level state money when distributed cleanses where it has come from.
When money is given in charity it is cleansed.
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so what about the person who works in a general grocery store or a supermarket chain... they sell alcohol.. i mean not the person who works there personally but the they work for the store! people buy them and they beep them out.... is tht wrong?
so what about the person who works in a general grocery store or a supermarket chain... they sell alcohol.. i mean not the person who works there personally but the they work for the store! people buy them and they beep them out.... is tht wrong?
Peace jazzysam
Technically speaking it is not right. People should strive to find a position where they are not required to do that, but Allah (SWT) maaf karne wala hai in the case of real majboori.
Peace jazzysam
Technically speaking it is not right. People should strive to find a position where they are not required to do that, but Allah (SWT) maaf karne wala hai in the case of real majboori.
but what if they dont have a majboori..they just cant be asked finding another job... ok ok i think i can get the jist of it now they should find something better and stuff.... thanks anyway...
Peace Tariq Akhtar
In that case this very moment is crystalised for time to come. Let's see how you will get out of this one! .
You're a piece of work! now what, you've got a moses complex. Crystalise and ferment all you want.
When will you make the water part again?
lol didnt see tht before… 
p.s. im guessing you were being sarcastic
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I feel really bad for people who are missing out on the pleasures of Alcohol. Over what? Blind senseless faith.