Seriously is this normal?

[Leap_of_Faith]

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As per my limited Knowledge Quran mentioned Marriage a solemnly Contract --->- lying -deception--- wrong information -omission of truth -misleading information null and void the contract ----------------------- ALLAH knows best -----------------But in my view that contract (Nikha ) can't be valid if looked under the explanation/guidance given to us by Quran-----------

[SweetLady]

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@Sweetmoi

And who told you they used someone elses ID? I dont understand the whole story.. Plus I dont think nikkah is unvalid, I mean they must have had witnesses and the groom and his father must know her fathers name .. so when they did the nikkah, they cant just use SILs fathers name even if they used her name .. It makes no sense.

But from what you’re seeing, it seems highly unlikely that the groom and his family have been totally clueless about the age. I’m pretty sure they know and there is some deal about it.

Lying about your DOB in pakistan is just a norm.

Her own SIL and sister told it to my cousin after the nikah

[SweetLady]

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@Leap_of_Faith

As per my limited Knowledge Quran mentioned Marriage a solemnly Contract —>- lying -deception— wrong information -omission of truth -misleading information null and void the contract ----------------------- ALLAH knows best -----------------But in my view that contract (Nikha ) can’t be valid if looked under the explanation/guidance given to us by Quran-----------

I wonder how long this fraud will last

[polished_gems]

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People in Pakistan always surprise me with their dangerously risky attitude towards life, it seems every time they get more and more creative. is he not in love with her? I think one should marry someone with honest intentions to be with the person, not for their green card, money card, or identity card. the parents of this girl should
have more honest. The boys parents obviously made some mistakes too, I just don't get the story well enough to understand how they got duped so badly.

[SweetLady]

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@polished_gems

People in Pakistan always surprise me with their dangerously risky attitude towards life, it seems every time they get more and more creative. is he not in love with her? I think one should marry someone with honest intentions to be with the person, not for their green card, money card, or identity card. the parents of this girl should have more honest. The boys parents obviously made some mistakes too, I just don't get the story well enough to understand how they got duped so badly.

I am scared key yeh na ho key larkey meyn kuch khamiyan hoo...jis ko woh chupana chatey heyn...it is really weird to have tied the knot that quickly:s

[Xtron]

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Ya know i did hear..people verbally lie about their age..but using someone else's id to prove ya're age. Well..not cool yo. One more reason to investigate further during rishta process.

[SweetLady]

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^I have no idea where PK is goin to...
i heard somethin semiliar today...

A guy has a defected leg ( he had an accident a while ago) and the guy fam didn't told anything to the girls side
when the brother of the girl saw it and asked about it to the boys fam...they said it;s a way of walkin (a kind of a thug walk?) nothing to worry about
After the nikah it seemed more visible (nikah and rishta was again arranged) ....So the brother of the bride asked it again...and the boys fam said he had an accident a while ago and his leg is defected since then....

I don't think that thats the complete story (the defected leg) i do believe there r some other complications they aint talkin about....

But like what the heck :S why r people basing rishtaas on such kinda lies :S

[Kya_Karon]

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@Leap_of_Faith

As per my limited Knowledge Quran mentioned Marriage a solemnly Contract --->- lying -deception--- wrong information -omission of truth -misleading information null and void the contract ----------------------- ALLAH knows best -----------------But in my view that contract (Nikha ) can't be valid if looked under the explanation/guidance given to us by Quran-----------

Slightly disagree, We ppl don't even know what happened there, A marriage can be executed by just two words, e.g. a person says the following words in the presence of witnesses*: *"I give my daughter to you in marriage." The person who is addressed replies*: *"I accept her in marriage." In so doing, the marriage is valid and both of them are lawful husband and wife. However, if the person has several daughters, the nikah will not be executed by his uttering the words mentioned above. He will have to mention the daughter by name, e.g. he says** : "I give my daughter, XYZ, to you in marriage", and the person replies : "I accept her in marriage.
If the daughter is present and the father says: "I give this daughter of mine in marriage to you", and the person replies: **"I accept her", the nikah will be valid. It will not be necessary to mention her name. So there is no ID issue regarding valid nikkah, and if u r talking about, lying? misleading? etc? tu mera nahi khayal aj kal kay daur mein aisi koi shadi ho gi jis mein jhot na bolay jatay hon, Jahez kay baray mein? larki ke aik saal umar kaam batana? etc. dekhnay mein tu ye jhot chotay hain, lekin jhot jhot hota hai

[Leap_of_Faith]

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foundations based on lies and deceptions especially a blessed and long term relation can not be fruitful eventually --

[Kya_Karon]

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@Leap_of_Faith

foundations based on lies and deceptions especially a blessed and long term relation can not be fruitful eventually --

this is what i've already said in my previous post. honesty is the key of successful relation. i've seen so many collapses just bc of lies in relationships. but here we were arguing about validity of nikah

[Iconoclast]

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One of my cousin's FIL had a similar situation. His mother married him to a widow but did not tell him about it. He was 18-19 and she was 30 with 2 kids. Its said that when he saw her the first time in hujla-e-uroosi, he came out and wanted to hit his mother, though i wonder why bcoz she must have been very beautiful. She has green eyes and white like caucasians which one does not see very often in villages.

[Kiwi007]

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Thats very devastating to the family, maybe more chaan been should have been done before the nikkah took place. Lesson for the rest of the paksitani population.

[Roshni]

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A relative of ours, my dad's age, married a girl much younger than him. he wasnt ugly but very skinny so didnt loo gud at all.
during rishta process man's side only showed his pic from his younger days and told them he was out of the country. when barat arrived at the girls house, her relative started crying loudly upon seeing the man. well they couldnt really do much and girl had to marry him due to izzat issues.

[TLK]

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@Kya_Karon

molvi nay nikah larki kay asal naam say parhaya hoga na ke Fake ID walay naam say, so (shari) tur par nikah valid hoga but on papers its not legal

@majesty

what name did the aalim read the nikkah with, if it was with a false name how is the nikkah valid islamically.
moreover how could he have taken name of another man’s daughter?

I dont think that the name matters so much, as long as Molvi, gawah, Dulha and Dulhan know who they are in person. Yes legally it can be a fake nikah, but islamically its ok

[Kya_Karon]

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I dont think that the name matters so much, as long as Molvi, gawah, Dulha and Dulhan know who they are in person. Yes legally it can be a fake nikah, but islamically its ok

yea dats wat i mentioned in post # 48

[SweetLady]

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@Roshni

A relative of ours, my dad’s age, married a girl much younger than him. he wasnt ugly but very skinny so didnt loo gud at all.
during rishta process man’s side only showed his pic from his younger days and told them he was out of the country. when barat arrived at the girls house, her relative started crying loudly upon seeing the man. well they couldnt really do much and girl had to marry him due to izzat issues.

Damn that’s awfull :S i don’t get why people do such rediculous things

@Iconoclast

One of my cousin’s FIL had a similar situation. His mother married him to a widow but did not tell him about it. He was 18-19 and she was 30 with 2 kids. Its said that when he saw her the first time in hujla-e-uroosi, he came out and wanted to hit his mother, though i wonder why bcoz she must have been very beautiful. She has green eyes and white like caucasians which one does not see very often in villages.

to the mother did all this on purpose?

[coffeegirl]

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Sorry to bring up an old thread again but...

The Nikah is not valid in such circumstances because the age that was with held is considered important information which if the guy knew before hand, he would not have agreed to the marriage therefore the Nikah is null and void :) Hope this helps

Secondly, if the name on the Nikah is NOT of the girl whose marriage it was then the Nikah is also void because of in correct information which if had been known before hand, the Nikah would never have taken place.

Lastly, in regards to the legal side of it, if the marriage has been registered and the names are on the Nikah nama...( not sure if in Pakistan, that is considered a legal document) then in the eyes of the state, the couple would be married but under Islamic law...no marriage took place.