"Please explain to me how you lot justify the use of the minority to abuse the majority?"
Ask the Nepalis.
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"Please explain to me how you lot justify the use of the minority to abuse the majority?"
Ask the Nepalis.
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I thought you were their spokesperson?
Abuse the majority?
Ask the Russians. Imagine this a hundred times, intentionally.
No mistake, not in the middle of a conflict, a group who INTENTIONALLY kidnaps hundreds of children, with full knowledge that you are placing these children in the line of fire.
Jihad!
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Re: Serious Implications of Terrorist Activities For Muslims - An Ppen Debat
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*“Thousands of protesters ransacked a mosque and clashed with police in the Nepalese capital on Wednesday to protest the killing of 12 Nepalese hostages by Iraqi militants.”
......what a shame........... I believe, right now, the Muslim nation should spend all of its energy in equipping itself with science and modern knowledge instead of letting its youth to fall into the terrorism ditch.
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Here here PD!
Some corrections are in order. There is no such thing as "Muslim Nation". It is wrong to say there is a "Buddhist Nation" stretching from Malaysia all the way to Japan. Sure Muslims have Kaaba, but so do other religions.
On international level, there are Anarchists vs. Stabilizers.
Hitler, Melosovich, Saddam, Kim, and others fall in the class of Anarchists. Don't ever think that anarchists are dumb. They do believe in "science and modern knowledge" but only for destructive and terrorist purposes. Hijackers of 911 were all "equipped with science and modern knowledge". What a disgusting lot, they were the sons of Abu Jahil and Shiataan. They will surely burn in the lowest level of hell forever.
Stabilizers OTOH keep an eye on the anarchists. When these anarchists cross certain limits, they get kicked in the rear.
Sad to say that we do have a large number of anarchists in Pakistan. They are using a peaceful religion, or their ethnicity for really nefarious purposes.
Thanks to Pak-army the "stabilizer" Paks will prevail.
Youaccuse us of displacement and now what are you lot doing. Our fiery bird spokesperson is silent only to support the people that back his claim.
Sem take an ESL class and when you can read english come back and talk to me.
Ohioguy no condemnation of burning of a mosque eh? No comdenmnation of the people hurt.
Blaming the majority of the actions of the minorities is acceptable to you as it fits your neo-conservative agenda. For all the humanity you show it is all one sided. Typical.
People who cant understand the simple premise of not attacking innocents because of the actions of a minority are an insult to the human race and should be exterminated.
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Abuse the majority?
Ask the Russians. Imagine this a hundred times, intentionally.
No mistake, not in the middle of a conflict, a group who INTENTIONALLY kidnaps hundreds of children, with full knowledge that you are placing these children in the line of fire.
Jihad!
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Hey wasnt that a russian bullet?
CM, please stop overestimating your wit and perspicacious. Your posts are more platitudinous than you know. You are preaching to the choir when you say people should not attack innocents because of the actions of a minority. Talk about one-sided? Please address your concerns to those who exculpate the homicide bombers, hostage takers, truck driver decapitators and church bombers. They are the ones addressed in this thread because they are the reason the mosques are burning.
"Ohioguy no condemnation of burning of a mosque eh?"
Sadly no. Almost ashamedly no.
Why?
This thread was not started months ago. And frankly I commend PhoenixDesi for his brave words. But it took a Mosque on fire to shock some of you into speaking out. (And a Mosque is afterall just a building, and a symbol). Thus far it is about the only thing that has caused some introspection, without the requisite excuses and blame shifting.
It is Muslims who have framed this "fight" in religious terms. Secular Americans cannot even fathom fighting a "holy war". Why are you then suprised and shocked that a Mosque is burning? When people are in disagreement with US policies they burn a US flag, or attempt to burn an embassy to express their displeasure.
Lastly, why should I be so concerned about discriminating between the Majority, and the Minority? That should really be your obstacle to deal with....
And, sadly, more Mosques will have to burn before this is over. We are still in the beginning of this "conflict", whatever you want to call it...
And lastly the comment about a Russian bullet is, as ususal, disgusting.
Sem please tell me which person has not condemned the acts as unislamic? Heck AK47 himself agrees the acts are unislamic and you can see how conservative he is. You wont find a single person on this site or in the world that says these acts are islamic.
Ohioguy, my comment is no more dispicable, than yours over shock and awe and the lack of condemnation of the mosque burning. Would it have been the same if a chruch was burned down?
Commend all you want. PheonixDesi doesn’t need a reason to question islam or anything of the sort. He would do it for free. Just notice how he places questions and comments and is never around to defend them.
You cant fathom americans believing in a holy war.
http://www.iht.com/articles/529893.html - Read and Enlighten yourself to the bloodthirsty nature of your religionists.
I for one am really sorry that you think it is my problem, because after all it is your society that is responsible for the aggression and racial discrimination.
I guess to it is the problem of a german if he is considered a nazi because of his nationality.
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Sem please tell me which person has not condemned the acts as unislamic? Heck AK47 himself agrees the acts are unislamic and you can see how conservative he is. You wont find a single person on this site or in the world that says these acts are islamic.
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If muslims defend themselves then it becomes terror. It really funny how the Amerikkkans think they are whiter than white but when you scratch the surface you find out in reality they are nothing but thugs and brutes!
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What acts are you talking about? Because I see a lot of support and/or excuses for Palestinain homicide bombers. Exactly which self proclaimed jihadis blowing up civilians are Islamic and which are not?
Hell did you even study english? He defends them. So what. He knows the acts are unislamic. That is a completely different isuse.
You are splitting hairs. Since he is about nothing else except how (his version of) Islam dictates everything in life and society, why would it not suffice to say that if he defends their actions he is doing it in the same manner he does everthing else, Islamically? But I don't pretend to speak for Mr. AK47 as I find his posts mostly unintelligible.
You didn't answer this question btw: What acts are you talking about? Because I see a lot of support and/or excuses for Palestinain homicide bombers. Exactly which self proclaimed jihadis blowing up civilians are Islamic and which are not?
Is it just the kidnappig of Russina school children that is unIslamic or do you include the beheading of truck drivers, blowing up of Jewish bus riders and the downing of civilian aircraft as unIslamic as well?
CAIRO (Reuters) - An Egyptian cleric based in Qatar and often described as a moderate has ruled that it is a religious duty for Muslims to fight Americans in Iraq,including U.S. civilians his office director said Thursday.
Qaradawi is revered in much of the Muslim world for his intellectual rigor and ability to adapt the fundamental tenets of Islam to the modern world.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=6138090
You are apparently unable to separate fictional novels from the real world. The article you refer to is about fictional novels depicting the second coming of Christ. So far as I know, this has not lead to any beheadings, nor kidnapping of children. It is presented as religious fiction.
Contrast this with the above, where a revered Mulsim cleric and scholar calls for the killing of civilians. Big difference…
You didnt read the article properly. That book is a NUMBER ONE BEST SELLER IN THE US. What does that mean to you?
Secondly the guy is a nutter, has been a nutter and will always be a nutter. Next?
Sem, blah blah blah. You had your ESL classes yet?
Back to the point how can use a miniority to justice discrimination against the majority?
Btw if that is true all you americans are white racist, neo-nazi incestual off-spring. Not a nice thing is it?
I am not insulting you like i have in the past. I showing you how use the minority to color the majority can be extremely stupid and racists on its own. (now i am insulting you by calling you racist and stupid if you agree with what OG had to say)
simply put.. people who hurt innocent people are idiots, and other people, who hurt other innocent people because they belong to the same country, faith, race, as the first idiot, are also idiots.
None of the idiots can be excused.
'Nuff said.. now go enjoy the weekend..
You are describing the subjects of this thread and somehow are trying to turn it around as a problem with Americans? 
You refuse to face the facts or the questions posed, instead you are incoherently running in circles. You might as well give it up as you have no clue, no point to make, and no idea that you are not as nearly as perspicacious as you think.
I can do europeans and australians. You want to see how far i can go with insulting aussies due to sterotypes and history?
LMAO!! Sem show me one question i have no answered. If i have missed any i will answer them. However are you gonna be a doll and answer the 5 questions i left on page one, which havent been answered in 50 posts.
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Qaradawi is revered in much of the Muslim world for his intellectual rigor and ability to adapt the fundamental tenets of Islam to the modern world.
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huh Qaradawai who?? that's your problem OG.. u don't know jack about the "Muslim World" except what appears in the news media which needs to snap out of it's "Archdiocese mentality" when referring to the "Muslim World".
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Commend all you want. PheonixDesi doesn't need a reason to question islam or anything of the sort. He would do it for free. Just notice how he places questions and comments and is never around to defend them.
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First: I am always around and try to read each and every post that you guys submit…it is my job as a moderator to make sure that every post on this forum is in accordance with this website’s charter …so please don’t assume that I am not around. However, I do refrain from submitting too many posts on a certain topic (especially the one I start) because someone may consider it a deliberate effort to promote a certain agenda. One of my responsibilities is to make sure that my personal biasness (and who doesn’t have one) should not overshadow my role as a moderator.
Second, I thought that I had already answered your question. You believe that majority of Muslims do condemn these terrorist activates and I do agree with you. After all no human being would justify cutting heads but I also feel that we Muslims remain confused about “mujahid” and “terrorist”. In Pakistan, my Muslim fellows will condemn killing 12 Nepalese but at the same time if you ask them if they would cooperate Pakistani government to curb terrorist network or do they support Pakistani government’s efforts of getting rid of terrorists, answer would be No. In one of my earlier posts, I tried to answer why I think this way. I am posting it again:
“I am an avid reader of all major Pakistani newspapers whether they are in Urdu or English. Well let’s take an example of a Urdu newspaper since majority of Pakistanis in Pakistan read Urdu newspapers. Lets take Jang, the most published Urdu newspaper in Pakistan. Show me one single article ( Nazir Najee the only exception) in which there is a serious condemnation of these terrorists. Most of these columnists still refer them as mujahadins….And I really mean it, show me one single article……I am talking about Irshad ahmed haqqani, Abdul qadar hassan, Ata ul haq qasmi, Manno bhai and Amjad aslam amjad who are very well known and well respected columnists in Pakistan….(these days it is very simple to find their articles. Just go to Jang’s website and click on “your favorite columnists” and you will find a full list of their articles.) This is the attitude of well educated and intellectual breed of Pakistan. English newspapers have the same attitude with Irfan hussain of Dawn and sajjad mir of nation (I guess) a unique exception.
Now lets talk about the masses of Muslim world.... majority of them still believe that these terrorists are mujahidins. Come on…..we do not need to fight on this issue or call names to each other……instead we can do some search on our own (if we want to)….if you are in Pakistan, just go talk to your driver, go talk to the shop keeper you buy grocery from…go talk to your maliee….go talk to your cook….when u r sitting in a taxi, just strike up a conversation with the driver on this topic…..and you will find out what a common Muslim thinks of these terrorists.. A MUJAHID….and I know there are several legitimate reasons why a common Muslim thinks this way…but I believe that we Muslims ( especially educated ones) should start working on changing this pattern.”
I also believe that this terrorist issue has increased way out of proportion and we Muslims should stand up and start acting against terrorism on a collective basis. We should believe from bottom of our heart that these terrorists are the biggest enemies of Muslims….we should shake hand with our governments to curb these terrorists…and it is only possible if we believe from bottom of our heart that these terrorists should be defeated…..raha sawal USA ko harany ka, so for that matter lets stop the rift for 50 or 100 years…lets focus on equipping ourselves with science and knowledge, lets use their rescores quietly to learn more of physics and chemistry…lets develop our selves militarily, economically and politically and then we will talk with West…then u do not have to blow bombs so that they listen to you because they have to listen to you anyways….
In essence, I agree with you that majority should not be blamed for minority’s acts but at the same time I also want the majority to condemn that particular minority from bottom of its heart and I think right now we are not doing this. And you think we are doing this…so we have a difference of opinion and there is no need of starting a fight on this issue.
:k:Thanks for putting it in a nutshell for us.