Muslims of India struggled for a separate country based on ‘Two Nations Theory’. They were afraid of the idea to be a minority in United India and was of the view that co-existence will not provide them opportunities to grow.
So the two nations were separated… After 65 years, how do you see that ideology?
Did two nations theory fulfill the expectations of Muslims?
Was co-existence a better option, if we compare the condition of Indian Muslims with Pakistani Muslims?
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Pakistan has a complete muslim culture though not an islamic one......
while india has secular culture with hindu influence.....
no government construction work starts with out bhoomi pujan...........
if eid and birth anniversary of any national figure coincide then you can not get meat.......:(
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Whats Bhoomi Pujan is.. worship of land? What is the importance of not getting meat?
How do you see Indian Muslims getting opportunities in various fields of life?
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yes bhoomi pujan is worshiping the land............
when you are having bakr-eid and you can not get meat does not it hurt you....
i can not say that there is discrimination against muslims everywhere.....but there are some people who are biased while dealing with muslims....:(
for example:-when there is hindu festival there is no load shedding but same department fails to restrain from load shedding on muslim festivals...while there only two muslim eids....
i remember an example when electricity board avoided load shedding during ganapati festival....and after complition of festival they started it...but this enraged few muslims as that was holy month of ramadan...so they burnt down electricity board office..:(
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Ok... same happens here in Pakistan.. They control loadshedding on Eid, but not on occasions like Christmas, Diwali, etc...
But how do you see if a Muslim had due qualification for a post, whether he gets the job or a Hindu is preferred over him/her? I'm referring to fear behind co-existence and basis of two nations theory.
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Ok... same happens here in Pakistan.. They control loadshedding on Eid, but not on occasions like Christmas, Diwali, etc...
But how do you see if a Muslim had due qualification for a post, whether he gets the job or a Hindu is preferred over him/her? I'm referring to fear behind co-existence and basis of two nations theory.
At least pakistan declared it self as muslim state but india is a secular state so its against secular notion of the state....
if it was a hindu state then i dont have any moral right to complain about it......
as far as private industry is concerned they opt for best candidate there are very few chances of discrimination...
but in government jobs muslims have very few chances of getting a job....
during british period muslim percentage in govt job was 35% now its less than 2%.......while 13 to 20% population in india is muslim ..
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So you mean Two Nations Theory worked out for Muslims of sub-continent without any side effects?
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there are side effects but it worked for both hindus and muslim.......
In my zaid hameed type views:D i think indo-pak partition had effect on world politics and geography......
as a separate nation pakistan opposed russian occupation of afghanistan while india supported russia.....
as result of pakistans covert war with russia in afghanistan ;ussr disintegrated resulting in formation of more than one dozen independent states...
majority are muslim states and muslims living there got religious freedom while previously they were not allowed to pray and even recite quran.....
P.S.you can compare pakistan with uttar pradesh as both have equal population and tell me which one is developed.....
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What is the population of UP and % of total Indian population? Is UP still a majority Muslim state?
180million is population of up.up is not a Muslim majority state.
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180million is population of up.up is not a Muslim majority state.
So, how can we compare it with Pakistan.. a Muslim majority country...
I mean, we can compare Muslim population of India (living in Hindu Secular India) with Muslims of Pakistan (Islami Jamhooria) and see, whether being minority in India, Muslims suffered or not. We also have to think, if there was no partition, total Muslim population (including Muslims of Bengla Desh) will form an influential minority, that may have change the flow of events and circumstances, everyone is facing in sub-continent today.
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So, how can we compare it with Pakistan.. a Muslim majority country...
I mean, we can compare Muslim population of India (living in Hindu Secular India) with Muslims of Pakistan (Islami Jamhooria) and see, whether being minority in India, Muslims suffered or not. We also have to think, if there was no partition, total Muslim population (including Muslims of Bengla Desh) will form an influential minority, that may have change the flow of events and circumstances, everyone is facing in sub-continent today.
just compare the percentage of muslim MPs and percentage of muslim in india i think you will get the answer....
and muslim and hindu in equal proportion means we would have ended up like nigeria of asia............
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not exactly on topic, but a significant after-effect of separation vs. coexistance is going to rear its ugly head in the coming decades. now we have pakistan, india, bangladesh with boundaries defined by human demographics, than natural boundaries that have worked for thousands of years. as a result now we are having to share the most basic of resources - water. those that live upstream have no accountability to those living downstream, especially in conditions of mutual distrust and disdain and conspiracy theories and politicians and leaders who will sell their moms. recently india had finally after decades of idiocy decided to treat bangladesh as an good neighbour, and sign water sharing agreements on the teesta river, along with gaining transit rights to india's north east. while the central govt was on track, at the last moment the west bengal CM sabotaged the agreement. partition along non-natural borders will always have major issues. this wont be easy to manage at all.
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Well said.. sharing of resources especially water is going to impact relationships of these nations.. In Pakistan, there is already a lack of trust between provinces on sharing of water.
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very civilized reaction by indians:D, religion doesn’t matter in this case even SS would have done the same:D. In social life there is bit of discrimination but in job market be it government or private it hardly matters:)
Air cheif IH Latif, and present commander of SriNagar based XV corps is Lt Gen Syed Ata Hasnain, doesn’t it reflect the status of muslim in India to certain extent:hmmm:
it divided muslims in two parts and by 1971 they got divided it another big part, now muslims are in three countries in more or less equal size while more than 95% of hindus are in one country, and overall muslim gain against hindu gain should be compared:)
Pakistan can also be compared with Punjab,Haryana,westernUP and Uttrakhand combined together and progress can be compared even then:D
the very same crowd selects Jayaprada over begum in Rampur while selecting for MP and same combination of population selects Azam Khan for MLA, the combination is muslims and Yadavs:) now who is poorly represented 
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But it seems that both the nations were at enmity at the time of partition, otherwise no justification of that huge migration.. Even Mr Jinah was in favour of independent Muslim / Hindu states based on the majority population.. This migration game was started as late as arrival of Red Cliff in June-July 1947.
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Mr Jinnah wasn't the one who proposed it first, Hindu Mahasabha proposed it much before, Jinnah used it for the political purpose of attaining his objectives, the enmass migration was effect of partion not the cause of it, whether partition was right or wrong is debatable, such ideologies have relevance factor, it was relevant then now both countries should find another ideology to sustain themselves, two nation theory doesn't hold any water either in balochistan or maoism, but another positive ideology can unite them with the respective countries:)
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But I think it would have favoured Muslims of Punjab & Bengal, if the simple rule of majority population to form a state was followed and Red Cliff had not added 'Other factors' to be considered for making states.. In case of Punjab, most of the tehsils in Districts of Punjab were Muslim majority. Gurdaspur had 52% Muslims, Batala 55%, Shakar Gadh 51%.. Meaning thereby except for Pathan kot, the complete Gurdsapur District was Muslim majority area. If we look at Ferozpur, Faazilka had 75% Muslims, Muktasar 67%, Zira 65%. In Amritsar District, only Amritsar Tehsil had majority Sikh population and Tehsil Ajnala had 59% Muslim population. Considering this ratio, I've a doubt that Mr Jinah could not agree to independent states based on majority of population. Even until July 1947, people don't know about the fate of their areas to be included in Hindustan or Pakistan and Red Cliff commission planted the roots of evil enmity between new countries.
Regarding working of any ideology, I'm of the view that if state deliver to public, there are no separation movements.. Its the fault of state functionary that had made situation in Balochistan worst.
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The ineffective control on riot was the biggest mistake made by administration, secondly not only about the areas, many families including mine thought that they would return back once violence gets normal. Secondly sikh had many religious place all over punjab but were numerically inferior hence they got amritsar and Ferozepur, patahnkot, looks like part of grand strategy regarding J&K, India also got eastern assam and lakshdweep:)
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Yes that strategy divided people and made them migrate from the areas where there ancestors were buried. Regarding, many of their sacred places including Punja Sahib, Ranjeet Singh's Samadhi went into Pakistani areas.