Segregated workplaces

[diwana]

Re: Segregated workplaces

@ravage

haha. i thought so. Its fine if you dont WANT to accept the results and dont think they’re written on STONE. you TRIED to make a mathematical argument based on sample size, you come up with absolute nonsense in terms of a refutation.

to answer the question I asked you, a margin of error would mean that there is a 95% likelihood that the true beliefs of the population in question (Pakistan) is between 85±3 re support of segregated workplaces, assuming 2000 samples and otherwise good methodological accuracy. That is to say, there is a 95% likelihood that between 82 and 88% of Pakistanies support segregated workplaces. You said that if you decrease the margin of error to 1 the number of samples required goes upto 9000. Ofcourse! Thats a confusion between precision and accuracy. If you want a precise answer on the exact opinion, you will have to sample more people. If you wanted to say the true mean is between 86 and 84, you’d need more people. If you wanted to say that the true mean is between 85.5 and 85 you’d need a lot more people. If you wanted to say that the true mean is exactly 85 you’d need to survey everyone. But 3% is not a bad range, if I said 82% or 88% that wouldnt be substantially different from 85% in terms of what we take away from the poll. Therefore we dont NEED to aim for a more precise estimate! Remember, lack of precision does NOT make the poll automatically inaccurate.

You have gone from saying the survey is nonsense to saying the results are not set in stone. they are NOT. nobody claimed they were. nobody is adamant that you accept results. just dont make objections you cannot defend when you talk to me, please dont come up with half assed claims about sample size, especially when you clearly dont grasp basic concepts of statistics, which you call mathematical mumbo jumbo. This is the problem with a lot of us, we make confident claims against established science, and when probed about what we know we’ll go ‘oh well you cant prove it without a shadow of a doubt look you yourself are saying its an estimate’. It is an estimate, and the acknowledgement of it as such is a requirement for good, solid science.

Finally you spoke.

No need to tell me what margin of error means and what it means to be a statistically significant poll or study. This is NOT statistics class.

You have been told that the fumdamental problem I have is when conducting this kind of poll, the methods completely ignores the total population.

In order to offset this big flaw in conducting any poll or study, one has to be sure to reduce the margin of error to get more precision. The statement you made about the 85+/-3 with sample size of 2000 and think that by drawing otherwise statistically good result you CAN apply the results on 180 million people then I have no reason to waste my time on you.

That is why as much as possible the larger sample (hence more precise result) is needed when one wants to make others believe the results as being ‘valid’.

I do not think I can get you out of the mindset which you have in believing anything which is claimed as ''solid science".

Buddy! **there is no solid sceince in statistics. **

Statistcs like this is based on a lot of assumptions and what one is willing to accept as margin of error/P-value/sample size etc.

Let me ask you there.

**If someone conducts any study or poll like this (on 2000 people) with questions asked on general preferance of using one product ‘A’ by those people. **

Would you be willing to make a headline saying in this world (of over 6.5 billion people), the preferred product IS A, given the results be exactly same? (Such as 85% people said they do. And margin of error was set as +/- 3.)

Answer that without asking me question and making any assumptions.

P.S. No if and or but will be accepted. A simple yes and no would do fine.