Secularism vs Islamism in Pakistan

[Mindstorm]

@CM

No you proved nothing. What you did was specifically quote various lines from the Quran that are not interlinked and said they apply to Secular government. That is not proof. That is you falsely interpretating the Quran.

Instead of accusing you of falsely interpreting Quran I’ll simply reply you with a verse from Quran:

109.006
YUSUFALI: To you be your Way, and to me mine.
PICKTHAL: Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.
SHAKIR: You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

Now the question is for 1400 years muslims have been governed by various forms of Islamic rule. Yet they all made mistakes and should haven formed a secular government because that is what the Quran states.

Since you used the CRCC website for quotes. Let use that for Surah 109. Which is Al Kafiroon. You know what that means? I hope you do. Because it has nothing to do with secular government. What it does state is as follows:

CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts

You essentially using the Surah that defines the concept of a Kafir as saying Secular government is acceptibl. But at no stages do any of the verses deal with anything related to government, community or law.

Hell the first Ayat of the surah is addressing the Kufar. Rejecters of faith. Unbelievers. I guess that means secular government in your warped mind.

I suggest you read the Surah before 109. Read 108 and what it says about the Kufar. I guess that doesn’t apply to a secular government where the Quran states those who reject Allah and his message will burn in hell.

When you are free from calling others as stupid please read the following carefully and try to answer objectively:

1. Where did I say Quran does not admonishes or criticizes Unbelievers. You have simply quoted the verses where Quran is warning the unbelievers about the grave consequences in the hereafter when Allah will punish them for this grave sin.

2. What should be the role of society for religious sins, please read Quran for this:

“So if they dispute with you, say ‘I have submitted my whole self to God, and so have those who follow me.’ And say to the People of the Scripture and to the unlearned: ‘Do you also submit yourselves?’ If they do, then they are on right guidance. But if they turn away, your duty is only to convey the Message. And in God’s sight are all of His servants.” (Quran 3:20)

Burqa has rightly tried to explain this as follows:

Many on this thread do not realize that in Islam there are two kinds of duties/rights.

1. Haqooq Allah (your duties to Allah) like Hujj, salat, aqeeda, length of beard, roza, pardah, hijab niqab etc.
2. Haqooq Ibad (your duties to fellow human beings). paying zakat, speaking truth, honesty, tolerance, lawfulness, driving within lanes, no-backbiting etc.

Allah never says that a so called Islamic state MUST enforce Haqooq Allah. Why? because if you do not offer salat, then it is between you and Allah. And no Mullah can come around and punish you for not offering salat. Same thing with Hujj, roza, etc. It is upto Allah to judge if we have faith being a Sunni, Shia, Ahmadi, Hindu, Christian, Sikh, Jew etc. No Mullah can do an open heart surgery and figure out someone’s faith. Only Allah knows. And thus Haqooq Allah must be judged by Allah and Allah alone.

Haqooq Ibad on the other hand is something that the “society” aka Pakistani quom should observe. because if we don’t then we’ll punished for these on the day of judgement for sure. Why because we as mere mortals can judge in a reasonable manner, that a person didn’t pay his taxes (zakat), or lied, or was dishonest, or was intolerant to fellow human beings, or he didn’t drive within lane.