Re: Secularism and Atheism
Firstly, I disagree that forgiveness of mother is not morality … You have a very stingy concept of morality. For you justice is not morality and now even forgiveness of mother is not morality.
Secondly, even if we agree with you that motherly forgiveness is not moral … But when the non- religious uses this example of motherly love on the rest of humans then that is being moral.
Thirdly, I said that religion is needed for enhancing morality … So I believe you are trying to use the most highest levels of morality to counter my position and the more basic aspects of morality you say are not even moral.
as I said it comes down to how you define the boundaries of morality we are saying the same thing, but my definition of morality includes more things. I don’t see a reason to move from this understanding.
Jesus (AS) allegedly said according to the Bible, I feel the essence of it is true … He (AS) takes it a step further … He says that being good to those who are good to us is not pious, but to be good to those who are unkind to us … Love thy enemy.
so one one hand we can be good to those who are good to us, secondly we can be good to those who don’t show us kindness, thirdly we can be good those who show us hatred … All of these are good … And moral …
One can be a Muslim, Mu’min and a Muh’sin … All of these are moral … They merely have degrees in morality.
If a person who does good things all his life without Iman … Then takes Shahadah, then through the Mercy of Allah (SWT) all his good actions he did in the past will become counted …