Secularism and Atheism

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Re: Secularism and Atheism

@ajazali

I simply didnt replied you to your last post, I let you go undefeated to save your pride, what else you want?
Perhaps you are not satisfied with your own arguments and are not convincing people enough.

see, i will just mention your opinions and it will again force you to reply this post…

you assume “nature is adl(justice)” no rational argument provided though
then you shift your stanace to “justice is less moral”, no rational argument provided though
then you shift to some very poor example, like “Forgiveness in maternal model”. this can be considered as rational argument but again it is just an example, where a mother love her own child, she but naturally would not sacrifice her own child’s interest over other child’s interest from another mother.
but if you still consder it morality then you are entitled to your opnion.

You have your own definition of Morality, that is everything can be dealt in terms of less moral or more moral. its ok if people use to use these terms but you are stumbling around this argument without any rational reason.

Just one thing i want to know what is you religious drive to defend your point?

P.S. considering the title of thread most of our discussion was irrelevant to topic, i could have removed these posts but i rather go for challenging position. you can continue you reasoning but i am about to stop reasoning, when oneside have alread made mind that they are perfect in reasoning then it is better to stay away from such dicussion, it is mind exausting…

Peace ajazali

You are funny … I didn’t have an argument with you … I was merely trying my hardest to understand you and then to contextualise what I was saying.

yes, it will force me to reply because your quote of my opinions is being done erroneously …

I said nature has two aspects Fitra and nufs … I gave an earlier example of how good can about through philosophical thinking … Such as returning a favour … Which is based on the idea of adl(justice) … I didn’t say nature is adl …

I never shifted my stance either … I always have maintained that there are grades of goodness … If you don’t believe me you can see very old posts that I have written and in this thread too that demonstrate that I do not hold a binary idea of good and bad.

I gave the example of the mother not so it would be compared to another mother … Rather I was showing how a mother can forbear every injustice that her child causes her through love.

I also showed how this matter is not concrete that lots of people have written about morality and they differ from each other.

My drive … Is not about defending my point … It is about being understood.

For some more examples … I have seen how many people without religion in their lives have a strong love for caring for animals and for the environment … Some of them will sacrifice their lives for their goals to defend someone’s honour or for a principle.

But you are right this is a major diversion from the thread title …

BTW … I’m not in the habit of simplifying religion or the topic of morality just because it is convenient. I am a deeply religious person, and where I see merit in non- religious people I have to be honest and mention it. Even if it complicates the nice picture that having a religion means we are good … I have to speak the truth … I see both very much immorality in some religious people because of how religion is interpreted and I see some morality in people without religion … May be your society prevents that to be seen. Allahu’alim.