Re: Secular Muslim countries are becoming economic progress models
"Secular Muslim......" :D
Re: Secular Muslim countries are becoming economic progress models
MEd world without Shariat will fail look at the statsitics of increase in the rate of suicides in so called developed countries thats why west is comming towards Islam so dont one day Shariat will be established and so called Secular people like you will be humiliated and humiliated not just in this word but on the day of Judge ment too because of preaching the kufr of Secularism INSHALLAH
Med in 1992 in ALgeria Islamic Parties clean sweeped the elections if you dont know than go read first
Med people who are coming to Islam majority of them are women another slap on the face of those secular people who think west has liberated women
I dont know what you mean when you say Shariat. Your just uttering a word that some how got into your head and you think its something a Muslim is supposed to say. I dont think you really know what it means, what sort of society it implies or how it should be implemented. You have a very naive and simpliostic understanding of the world.
For you to say you want Sharia law, means you must define it. You must tell us what it is exactly, and how you will apply it.
You dont even know what secular means. There are better Muslims then you living perfectly fine lives in Secular countries and are doing so with more dignity and respect then you recieve in most of your so called Islamic nations.
Secularism and Islam are not mutually exclusive except in the minds of people who those dont understand either. The problem with you is you have a very fuzzy understanding of Islam beyond very basic doctrine. You have read the Koran and the Hadith, but you dont understand any of it in a meaningful manner. Your understanding of Secularism is practically zero.
I wish you the best of luck in educating yourself.
Re: Secular Muslim countries are becoming economic progress models
AJJ Shariat has never failed if you think shariat has failed than you are basically saying GOD has failed if yes than you are the most dumbest person I have ever met SHARIAT are the Laws of GOD and one day it will be establised
You obviously have no idea who formulated the Sharia Law and when. You also don't seem to know if any state, kingdom, country, khilafat ever completely and successfully implemented the Sharia Law. Whether these laws are divine or interpretation of certain human beings hundreds of years after the death of the prophet Mohammed. Please educate yourself on the subject before showing your ignorance.
Re: Secular Muslim countries are becoming economic progress models
Granted democracy or not doesn’t make a difference. But, secular countries fare better than the theocratic or religion based states. (No, Israel is not theocratic; it was created for Jews, not Jewish state by constitution - not even by name).
Again, as I said earlier progress is relative term, you can only compare secular African states with non-secular African states.
Another advantage of a secular country is improvement of human capital. Take Tunisia for example, it is a secular country that is ushering in democracy by popular protest; a first for any Arab country. If Tunisia had chosen to go the way of other Arab countries, (i.e. use religion as an excuse to control the masses) this change would not have happened. You may argue that this may not be good for Tunisia as it brings instability, but only time will tell. But, according to most observers this augurs well for the country.
Re: Secular Muslim countries are becoming economic progress models
Political stability is not an issue of discussion here. The claim being made is that secular government is a key to economic progress. Yet there is no evidence to suggest that. It is a claim that most economists do not even take into account. Secular is the separation of religion and state what does that have to do with economic progress?
Re: Secular Muslim countries are becoming economic progress models
Political stability is not an issue of discussion here. The claim being made is that secular government is a key to economic progress. Yet there is no evidence to suggest that. It is a claim that most economists do not even take into account. Secular is the separation of religion and state what does that have to do with economic progress?
Are u kidding me? This has everything to dp with political stability. Secularism lays the ground work for social and political stability. And countries with stability tend to grow economicaly.
The sepration of religion from govt, and its relation to economic growth has already been explained, but u dont seem to get it.
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By all means prove it. I have provided numerous examples of why it is not a key factor. But go ahead and prove how specifically secular ideology led to economic progress.
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What nonsense.
The reason the Europeans could conquer so much of the world and engage in Slavery to the extent they did was because they were progressive economically, and not tied down to the Church.
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Actually, that is not true. The church was very much instrumental in spreading colonialism and Christianity both to the New World as well in Asia and in Africa.
Re: Secular Muslim countries are becoming economic progress models
By all means prove it. I have provided numerous examples of why it is not a key factor. But go ahead and prove how specifically secular ideology led to economic progress.
You havent provided anything. Can you prove that govt that doesnt get involved in religious issues, treats all citizens as equal, doesnt promote social stability? And can u prove that social stability in a society is not a prerequisate for economic growth. I know u have dificulty with basic logic, but try following along.
Im talking in general terms. Secularism can equal stability. Stability can equal economic growth. Now argue against this point.
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Actually, that is not true. The church was very much instrumental in spreading colonialism and Christianity both to the New World as well in Asia and in Africa.
The progress in science and technology, new economic systems that catapulted europeans to premanence came about due to loosening of control the church exercised over the european monarchs.
Re: Secular Muslim countries are becoming economic progress models
"Secular Muslim......" :D
Exactly, it is like saying a women is Half Pregnant or Man is only Half-MAN...:)
Re: Secular Muslim countries are becoming economic progress models
Med Secularism and Islam have nothing in common first people who gave the idea of secularism were involved in cases of fraud and Shariat include all the ecnomic laws and all the social laws and also how to develop a socities culture and Secularism is bound to fail and whole world is how these so called secular countries have attacked other countries
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I agrre with hanibal
Re: Secular Muslim countries are becoming economic progress models
Exactly, it is like saying a women is Half Pregnant or Man is only Half-MAN...:)
U know from a medical standpoint, technicly a woman can be half pregnant. There is a particular condition that presents as pregnancy but not quite.
Re: Secular Muslim countries are becoming economic progress models
Med Secularism and Islam have nothing in common first people who gave the idea of secularism were involved in cases of fraud and Shariat include all the ecnomic laws and all the social laws and also how to develop a socities culture and Secularism is bound to fail and whole world is how these so called secular countries have attacked other countries
Zavran with all due respect. Ypu need to educate yourswlf.
Re: Secular Muslim countries are becoming economic progress models
U know from a medical standpoint, technicly a woman can be half pregnant. There is a particular condition that presents as pregnancy but not quite.
LOL i just fall out of my chair laughing !!! is that really possible, i need to check that out... thanks for the info
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Med Muslim is either a muslim or not a muslim if he says he is a Muslim than he has to follow all the laws of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW other wise you are a Munafiq because it was the act of Munafiqs that they use to follow only those things which use to suit them butt not complete Islam
Re: Secular Muslim countries are becoming economic progress models
LOL i just fall out of my chair laughing !!! is that really possible, i need to check that out... thanks for the info
Hydatidiform mole. Its a benign tumor
Re: Secular Muslim countries are becoming economic progress models
Med Muslim is either a muslim or not a muslim if he says he is a Muslim than he has to follow all the laws of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW other wise you are a Munafiq because it was the act of Munafiqs that they use to follow only those things which use to suit them butt not complete Islam
The problem of these self acclaimed thekeydars of Islam is they would kill and die for Islam, but would not support or live the values and principles Islam stands for!
Taseer, Sherry, or the poster whom you are replying did not say anything against Islam or the prophet. He just disagrees with your understanding of Islam. You have no right to call anyone a munafiq just because someone disagrees with you.
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The issue really is freedom, individual freedom. Freedom has been associated with development, developed societies tend to guarantee and advocate individual freedom, and increases in freedom tend to increase social welfare. That goal is less likely to be achieved in the theocracy envisioned by shariat warriors. Secularism advances freedom to the extent that it eliminates legal enforcement of a particular religion’s bounds on behaviour.