Sects of Islam

Ibn_Sadique · June 2, 2012, 6:43pm

Re: Sects of Islam

Dear brother Ibn Sadique, first of all thank u for going thru the trouble of pasting the concerned part from the thread referred to earlier…now we have at least got some substance to talk abt…u have raised some interesting points regarding a particular letter of Amirul Momineen to the king of Syria where he has talked abt the earlier sheikhdoms…I think u r trying to indicate tht this letter implies approval of Imam Ali with the coup of saqeefa…well, I would request u to open the book where u have got their letter from and quote the complete set of letters that was exchanged before this letter…this pre-Siffein exchange of letters were carried by messengers Abu Ammama Bahili and Jarir b Abdullah just for ur reference in helping locate these letters…once u find and present them then we may go over each point that u r having difficulty understanding in this particular letter of Imam Ali, Insha Allah…once u gain a holistic view then u wont have much trouble seeing the childish game of deceit that Muawiya was trying to play with Imam Ali…once that starts becoming apparent, Insha Allah, I hope u won’t turn back and start calling the letters “imaginary” again?!..

My dear brother Nussairee Assalama alaykum – First accept my apologies for delayed response (Just needed a break) I accept your thanks very humbly, I thought I might as well paste the concerned part for the viewers benefit so that they can see it easily and not scroll around looking for the link.

You must read the letter as it is and get the gist of his message. Don’t try to mix it up with other issues. The onus is on you to post the prior letter which you are referring to and prove your point.

Hz. Ali (ra) is shown to contradict himself in Nahjul Balagha. This is insult to him as he always spoke the truth whatever the price.
Are you denying what Hz. Ali (ra) has stated that:

His election/selection to be the Khalifah as legitimate as that of Hz. Abu Bakr, Hz. Umar and Hz. Uthman (May Allah be pleased with them)?
Anyone who has pledged the bayah cannot rescind it?
Anyone who was absent has not right to oppose it (Keep in mind that Hz. Ali (ra) was absent from Saqifah – similarly Hz. Muawiyah (ra) was absent when bayah was given to Hz. Ali (ra)?
Right to select/elect is only the right of the Muhajirs and the Ansar?
Allah was pleased with whoever Muhajirs and the Ansar selected as the IMAM of the Ummah of that time. (Allah was well aware the Hz. Ali (ra) was around?
All must accept the decision of the Muhajirs and Ansar, dissidents should be persuaded, rebels fought?

Having said the above would he now claim that he was robbed of his rightful position?

Certainly NOT.

This is clear as a daylight that Hz. Ali (ra) deemed selection/election of his erstwhile and noble predecessors (may Allah be pleased with them) as legitimate, selection limited to the Muhajirs and Ansar ONLY, and IMPORTANTLY Allah (swt) was pleased this selection.

Do you deny the above?

You claim it to be sheikhdoms – Whereas your infallible Imam considers their rule as per pleasure of Allah (swt). And considers them as the Imams of the Ummah!!! Note that Hz. Ali (ra) has used the IMAM for them.

Do you deny their Imamate when your infallible proclaims it?

It is so easy for your go against your infallible Imam but are so loyal to later day ‘Ayatullahs’. Who preach you otherwise.

With pleasure you are most welcome to post any letter/sermon you have in mind – (I have read the sermon 3).
The onus is on you to reconcile the discrepancies. Hz. Ali (ra) cannot utter a word against a deed which pleased Allah (swt). And reconcile with the following too:

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Leave me and seek someone else. We are facing a matter which has (several) faces and colours, which neither hearts can stand nor intelligence can accept. Clouds are hovering over the sky, and faces are not discernible. You should know that if I respond to you I would lead you as I know and would not care about whatever one may say or abuse. If you leave me then I am the same as you are. It is possible I would listen to and obey whomever you make in charge of your affairs. I am better for you as a counsellor than as chief.** Nahjul Balagha Sermon 91**

Brother** Nussairee** Imam Ali (ra) would NOT have uttered the above words if he was indeed ‘divinely chosen’ as the Imam of the time. He is duty bound to carry out the Divine Will.
Can you imagine Prophet (saw) saying to the Makkans “Leave me and seek someone else”?
I am sure you know the following response of the Prophet (saw) to his Uncle Abu Talib who advised the Prophet (saw) ‘taper down’ his mission and not ‘provoke’ the Makkan.

“O my uncle, if they placed the sun in my right hand and the moon in my left, to force me to renounce my work, verily I would not desist there form until Allaah made manifest His cause, or I perished in the attempt.”

Imam Ali (ra)’s response would have been in same vein!!

But in the above Sermon Imam Ali (ra) says:
“ It is possible I would listen to and obey whomever you make in charge of your affairs. I am better for you as a counselor than as chief”

He will follow any person the people at large opted for.

He is willing to be a counsellor rather than be a chief.

This is not in line with Divine appointment!