Sects in Islam: How do you explain this?

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Sects in Islam: How do you explain this?

@Sa1eem

Anyhow, most what you wrote I read them many times over years and what I understood (after reading those hadith) is still same what I wrote in my post.

See what you have written is not according to the hadith

@Sa1eem

From my understanding and whatever knowledge I have, figure 73 does not actually mean number 73 (numerically) but it means a large number. 73 Muslim sects compared to 72 Christian sects and 71 Jew sects only mean, larger number of sects in Muslims compared to Jews or Christians. Similarly, when it is said that all sects would be in hell fire except one (72 would be in hell fire), it does not literally means sectarian division where all would go to hell fire except one, but it means all Muslims would go to hell fire except one (one group among many) who would be on the teaching of prophet (SAW) and Quran… and people of that saved sect or group can be found in every Muslim sect/group.

The noble hadith clearly implies that from 73 sects 1 will go to the heaven and this sect will be in the Majority. This clearly shows sectarian division!

@Sa1eem

it does not literally means sectarian division where all would go to hell fire except one, but it means all Muslims would go to hell fire except one (one group among many) who would be on the teaching of prophet (SAW) and Quran… and people of that saved sect or group can be found in every Muslim sect/group.

And you position is at variance to this: You are implying some people from each sect will form a new group!!! This is completely erroneous and false. It goes against what the blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) saying. My advice to you my dear brother is to approach a good scholar and clarify your position on this for your own sake.

@Sa1eem

Anyhow, obviously you understand things differently, and there is no better way to discuss anything than question what other understands, hence, let me ask you first set of questions:
Since the belief I have (Sunni/Barelvi/sufi … or … Sunnah-wal-Jamah) that has never changed (as we believe) from time of Prophet (SAW), and out belief and practice was always belief and practice of majority, was Al-Jammah of Muslim Ummah, than are we (Sunni/Barelvi/Sufi) only people of paradise?

First of all let me correct you again.

There were no sects in the time of the blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

Barelvism doesn’t equate to Ahlul Sunnah wal Jamaa’! It is just a school of thought within Ahlul Sunnah wal Jamaa’ predominantly established in the Indian Sub-continent.

“The movement is much influenced by Sufism and the traditional folk Islam practices of South Asia, having formed as a reaction to the reformist attempts of the Deobandi movement, which was influenced by the Wahhabi movement in Arabia”

Barelvi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So the Barelvism was formed in reaction to Deobandi movement.

Many of Barlevi beliefs and practices were not held and practiced by the first 3 generations.

If any Barelvi has the same beliefs and practices as the first 3 generations, then of course he deserves to go to Jannah. If there is any discrepancy the penalty has to be paid, if Allah Almighty wills it to be so, later Insha ‘Allah he will be brought back to Jannah.

@Sa1eem

And all recent variants like Wahabi (Salafi, Ahle-hadith) that started in 18[SUP]th[/SUP] century, deobanis that started in 19[SUP]th[/SUP] century, and tableeghi-jamaatis that started in 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century, whom we Muslims (people of Al-Jammah) believe are deviated from Islam and are in minority deviant sects, are all people of fire?

Keep in mind that ‘Wahabi (Salafi, Ahle-hadith)’ pre-date Barelvi school of thought. Barelvism came later in reaction. These movements were to revive Islam to its original belief and practices.

They too in return take Barelvism to be a deviant school of thought.

If any Deobandi ‘Wahabi (Salafi, Ahle-hadith)’ has the same beliefs and practices as the first 3 generations then of course he deserves to go to Jannah. If there is any discrepancy the penalty has to be paid, if Allah Almighty wills it to be so, then Insha ‘Allah he will be brought back to Jannah.

My dear brother Saleem You have boxed yourself firmly in “Sunni/Barelvi/sufi”

I just want to be a Muslim who strives to follow Islam within Ahlul Sunnah wa Jamaa’ and the following ayahs and hadith guide me.

And strive hard in (the way of) Allah, (such) a striving a is due to Him; He has chosen you and has not laid upon you an hardship in religion; the faith of your father Ibrahim; He named you Muslims before and in this, that the Messenger may be a bearer of witness to you, and you may be bearers of witness to the people; therefore keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and hold fast by Allah; He is your Guardian; how excellent the Guardian and how excellent the Helper!** [The Blessed Quran Surah al Hajj:78]**

And thus We have made you a medium (just) nation that you may be the bearers of witness to the people and (that) the Messenger may be a bearer of witness to you; and We did not make that which you would have to be the qiblah but that We might distinguish him who follows the Messenger from him who turns back upon his heels, and this was surely hard except for those whom Allah has guided aright; and Allah was not going to make your faith to be fruitless; most surely Allah is Affectionate, Merciful to the people. [The Blessed Quran Surah al Baqara:143]

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “Do good deeds properly, sincerely and moderately. . .Always adopt a middle, moderate, regular course, whereby you will reach your target (of paradise).” - Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Hadith 470

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “The good deeds of any person will not make him enter Paradise (i.e., no one enters paradise only through his good deeds).” The Prophet’s companions asked: “Not even you?” The Prophet replied: “Not even myself, unless God bestows His favor and mercy on me. So be moderate in your religious deeds and do what is within your ability. None of you should wish for death, for if he is a doer of good, he may increase his good deeds, and if he is an evil doer, he may repent to God.” - **Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Hadith 577
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