Sects in Islam: How do you explain this?

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Sects in Islam: How do you explain this?

@Sa1eem

From my understanding and whatever knowledge I have, figure 73 does not actually mean number 73 (numerically) but it means a large number. 73 Muslim sects compared to 72 Christian sects and 71 Jew sects only mean, larger number of sects in Muslims compared to Jews or Christians. Similarly, when it is said that all sects would be in hell fire except one (72 would be in hell fire), it does not literally means sectarian division where all would go to hell fire except one, but it means all Muslims would go to hell fire except one (one group among many) who would be on the teaching of prophet (SAW) and Quran.

Brother **Saleem **

We must not use pure speculation try to interpret hadith or the sayings of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) If the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) has said 73 we must accept it as 73 – otherwise the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) would have used the words “a large number” – But he did not so we should leave it there.
You are further guilty of misinterpreting the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) by sheer personal speculation.
Please read the hadith again!

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said:
“The Jews split into seventy-one sects; one will be in Paradise (i.e., those who followed Moses) and seventy will be in the Fire. The Christians split into seventy-two sects; seventy-one will be in the Fire and one will be in Paradise (i.e., those who followed Jesus). And by the One in Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad, this Ummah (nation) of mine will split into seventy-three sects; one will be in Paradise and seventy-two will be in the Fire. It was asked, “Who are they, O Messenger of Allah?” He (peace be upon him) said, “Al-Jama’ah (i.e., the group which adheres steadfastly to the way of the Prophet, peace be upon him, and his Companions).” And in another narration: ” (Those who follow) what I and my Companions are following.” - [reported by at-Tirmidhee (no. 2643)

Note:

1. Ummah will split into 73 sects
2. One will be in Paradise
3. seventy-two will be in the Fire

Now compare how drastically you are misinterpreting the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) words.

Now read the complimentary hadith on the same theme:

The Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said “The Jews split into 71 groups; one will enter Paradise and 70 will enter Hell. The Christians split into 72 groups; 71 will enter Hell and one will enter Paradise. By Him in Whose Power is the life of Muhammad, without doubt, my Ummah will be divided into 73 groups. Only one will enter Paradise and 72 will enter Hell.”
When asked which group will be on the right path, the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “The main (al-Jama’ah) body of the Muslims.” [Ibne Majah Kitab al-Fitan]

When asked which group will be on the right path, the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “The group on the right path, which will enter Paradise, will be the group which follows my Sunnah and that of my Sahaba and this will be the largest group of Muslims.” [Tirmizi, Imam Ahmad, Abu Daud, Mishkat]

Can you see how wrongly you are interpreting the sayings of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)

My advice you is to go and take some serious guidance from a good scholar of your choice. And must repent unless you are a free thinker and make your own deductions.

@Sa1eem

According to teaching of Quran, as far as hell fire and faith is concerned, only requirement is not to associate anyone equal to Allah, or believe on power from any source other than Allah, or not to have Illah other than Allah … and here it is nothing to do with accusations of one on others, but open acceptance of a person that he/she believes on more than one Illah (or person accepting that the person is mushrik). As far as I know, all who are considered as sects in Islam, believe that there is one Allah and Prophet (SAW) is messenger of Allah, all follow Sunnah of Prophet (SAW), and all claim (citing their interpretations of Quran and hadith, citing hadiths that may or may not be acceptable to others, or whatever) that they are rightly guided sect, so for them (any particular sect) to go to hell fire because of their beliefs or faiths is ridiculous assumption.

Again you are trying to be a ‘goody goody’ fellow and ignoring the words of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)

Please read the hadith again

@Ibn_Sadique

The Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) Illustrating the straight path
"One day Prophet Muhammad PBUH), drew a line in the sand for them and said, “This is Allah’s path.” He then drew several lines to the right and to the left and said, “These are the paths [of misguidance] on each of which is a devil inviting people to follow it.” He then recited the verse: ‘Verily, this is my path, leading straight, so follow it. And do not follow the [other] paths for they will scatter you about from Allah’s path. That is His command to you in order that you may be conscious of Allah’ (Hadith by Imam Ahmed)

The Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) commanding Muslims to follow the ‘Great Majority’ of the Ummah!

*The Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said “The Jews split into 71 groups; one will enter Paradise and 70 will enter Hell. The Christians split into 72 groups; 71 will enter Hell and one will enter Paradise. By Him in Whose Power is the life of Muhammad, without doubt, my Ummah will be divided into 73 groups. Only one will enter Paradise and 72 will enter Hell.”

When asked which group will be on the right path, the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “The main (al-Jama’ah) body of the Muslims.”* **[Ibne Majah Kitab al-Fitan] ***
The Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said " There was disagreement amongst Jews and they split into 72 groups. In exactly the same way, there will be disagreement and divisions in my Ummah. It will split into 73 groups. Apart from one of those groups, all the remaining 72 will be thrown into Hell."

When asked which group will be on the right path, the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “The group on the right path, which will enter Paradise, will be the group which follows my Sunnah and that of my Sahaba and this will be the largest group of Muslims.”* [Tirmizi, Imam Ahmad, Abu Daud, Mishkat]

The Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said “Without doubt my Ummah will never be gathered in misguidance. Whenever you see disagreement, then hold fast to the Sawad-e-Azam (the great majority)” [Ibne Majah]

*The Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said " Follow the way of the largest group of Muslims! For, he who deviates from this group will be thrown into Hell!" *[Ibne Majah]

The Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said “The devil continually pursues humans as a wolf pursues sheep. The wolf only dares to attack those sheep which have separated from the rest of the flock and are standing alone. And so, my followers and my devotees! Save yourselves from being caught in the traps of misguidance and firmly remain with the largest and most well-known group of Muslims!” **[Imam Ahmed] **

The Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said “Allah will never allow my Ummah to unite upon misguidance and incorrect beliefs. Allah’s mercy, blessings and protection are with the largest group of Muslims. And he who deviates from this largest group of Muslims will be thrown into Hell."** Tirmizi] **

The Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said " He who deviates from the largest group of Muslims, even as much as a hand span, has himself cut off his connection with Islam." **[Abu Daud, Imam Ahmed] **

**In his Last Sermon the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) warned his Ummah to be aware of Satan’s nefarious plans to lead people astray **

*"O People, Beware of the devil, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People, NO PROPHET OR MESSENGER WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I am leaving you with the Book of Allah and my SUNNAH, if you follow them you will never go astray".*

Note that the Saved Sect

1. “The main (al-Jama’ah) body of the Muslims.”

2. “will be the group which follows my Sunnah and that of my Sahaba and this will be the largest group of Muslims.”

3. “the Sawad-e-Azam (the great majority)"

4. "Follow the way of the largest group of Muslims!”

5. “and firmly remain with the largest and most well-known group of Muslims!"

6. “from the largest group of Muslims”

Now do you see that your interpretation in completely against what the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) sayings!!!

The only ridiculous matter here is your personal assumptions!

@Sa1eem

Rest of reasons for a person going to hell fire are all dependent on ways human interacts between each other, or how one treats other humans. One of the major portions of Quran is on this subject and Quran is very clear about it too. Teaching of Prophet (SAW) and human unbiased logic also supports that biggest human sin is human crime against other humans (especially, when based on personal beliefsn and biases). When Allah created Adam (AS) and declared that he would make him Khalifa on earth, what Angels mentioned about humans when questioning the Khilafat of humans on earth is same … that this creation would create fitna on earth, and would fight and kill each other.

And read further what Allah Almighty answered: “I know what you do not know.”

Behold, your Lord said to the angels: “I will create a vicegerent on earth.” They said: “Will You place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood? - while we do celebrate Your praises and glorify Your holy (name)?” He said: “I know what you do not know.” [2: Al-Baqara-30]

@Sa1eem

Teaching given by Quran and Prophet (SAW) is: Judgment of individual souls’ belief and neyat related to his actions are prerogative of Allah alone (Haq of Allah). HUMANS HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE FAITH, FAITH RELATED INTENTIONS OR BELIEFS OF OTHER HUMANS. Only thing we should be worried about is our own beliefs and deeds (our Iman and Amaal). We can share our beliefs with others, even preach them nicely (without hurting them), but should not try to enforce or victimize others on basis of beliefs. **

You are wrong again my friend on the highlighted part.

Matters of heart and intention only known to Allah Almighty alone. In this world we go by what is apparent.

Read the following hadith and saying of Hz. `Umar bin Al-Khattab (May Allah be pleased with him)

Imam Al-Nawawi’s Riyad-us-Saliheen Chapter 49

** Making Judgment of people keeping in view their evident actions and leaving their hidden Actions to Allah (swt)**

*Abdullah bin Utbah bin Masud reported: I heard Umar bin Al-Khattab (May Allah be pleased with him) reported saying: "In the lifetime of Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) some people were called to account through Revelation. Now Revelation has discontinued and we shall judge you by your apparent acts. Whoever displays to us good, we shall grant him peace and security, and treat him as a near one. We have nothing to do with his insight. Allah will call him to account for that. But whosoever shows evil to us, we shall not grant him security nor shall we believe him, even if he professed that his intention is good.‘’ *Saheeh Al-Bukhari].

This Hadith also proves that the injunctions go with the apparent acts of a person and not with will and intention. It also indicates that a good intention does not waive the Qisas and establishing the justice.

Making Judgment of people keeping in view their evident actions and leaving their hidden Actions to Allah (swt)

Brother Saleem Suppose you see a bird walking around and has no label that says ‘duck’. But the bird looks like a duck. Also, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck. Surely you reached the conclusion that the bird is a duck, unknown to you this duck in its heart of hearts thinks and has the intention of being of a peacock.

We humans judge with what is apparent and leave the intentions to Allah Almighty as this is in His domain.

@Sa1eem

Unfortunately, most humans never think that what they believe is due to influences in their life and what others believe is due to influences in life of others. So, people with two different beliefs would always think that others are wrong (misguided) and they are right (also mentioned in Quran beautifully in ayah 6:108 … that all think what they believe is correct, so one should not abuse others on belief, even what other worship). Anyhow, if any group (or individual) would start enforcing, victimizing or using violence on basis of belief differences, than they (perpetrators) would only create ‘fitna’ and would go to hell fire

Agree with you cent percent.

Below I am quoting the beautiful ayah mentioned by you. You must note the last sentence – Allah Almighty will judge them on their actions and beliefs.

And do not abuse those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest exceeding the limits they should abuse Allah out of ignorance. Thus have We made fair seeming to every people their deeds; then to their Lord shall be their return, so He will inform them of what they did.B] [Quran 6:108]

Read the following ayah too – There is a Way on Truth and Way on Error

There is no compulsion in religion; TRULY THE RIGHT WAY HAS BECOME CLEARLY DISTINCT FROM ERROR; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing. [Quran Surah Baqara :256]

We are commanded by Allah Almighty to invite the mankind to the Right way – of course with “wisdom and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better”.

“Let there arise out of you a group of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining al-ma`roof and forbidding al-Munkar And it is they who are successful.” **(Quran, Aal Imraan: 104)
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“Invite to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam) with wisdom and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided.” (Quran, an-Nahl: 125)

Truely, The Religion With Allah Is Islam." (Holy Qur’an Al-an-A’naam:19)