Re: Section 144 imposed in Lahore
Section 144 is not good thing in democracy but have you seen language of N$. He wanted to get that through lawers movement which he could not achieve in elections. Remember he has almost no representation in 3 of **4 **provinces.
So just disqualifying of Shahbaz takes away “majority” of PML-N from Punjab Assembly? Am I missing something here? 
Re: Section 144 imposed in Lahore
Shame on Zardari and his govt. Lahore has suffered the biggest terror attack on its soil and all this brainless selfish Zardari can think of is playing politics, what happened to the investigation into that incident. I suppose that is trivial compared to the surivial of Zardari.
Shame on Zardari and his govt. Lahore has suffered the biggest terror attack on its soil and all this brainless selfish Zardari can think of is playing politics, what happened to the investigation into that incident. I suppose that is trivial compared to the surivial of Zardari.
Do you remember Usama's personal meeting with *N$ *
It is a history
I think you are missing something. 
Check the strength of Punjab Assembly and distribution of seats.
Here are the figures of elected assembly seats:
PPP …= .82
PMLN = 110
PMLQ..= .67
MMA .= …2
PMLF = …2
Ind …= .33
Total = 296
So, PMLN got 110 seats out of 296 contested Punjab seats. As far as votes are concerned, PMLQ got the highest number of votes in Punjab, PMLN got second highest and PPP came third, though all 3 parties got around more or less 5 million votes in Punjab, each out of around 20 million cast votes (or around 25 percent votes each).
After election, it was agreed that a coalition government (PPP + PMLN) would be formed in Punjab and that made many independent candidates join PMLN, as it was expected that in coalition, PMLN would be given lead role in government. Thus after election, 4 Ind joined PPP and 25 joined PMLN … though still they contested election as independent candidate, but joined parties just to be in government.
As the election result shows, two out of 3 major parties have to make coalition to form government. Since PPP has decided to ditch PMLN, coalition government in Punjab became defunct, and thus governor rule was imposed. Now governor is waiting for a declaration by any two parties from PPP, PMLN and PMLQ to make coalition and form government. Since no two parties has come together yet, governor is ruling Punjab.
Right, so there are two separate events that took place:
Now when did PPP announce that they are breaking up with PML-N in Punjab Assembly? I think I missed that news.
Right, so there are two separate events that took place:
Now when did PPP announce that they are breaking up with PML-N in Punjab Assembly? I think I missed that news.
Announcement is not necessary. Governor rule cannot get imposed in a province until President orders Governor to take over (in consultation with PM or without). President of Pakistan Zardari is also head of PPP, coalition partner of PMLN in Punjab defunct government. So, the day Governor’s rule was imposed in Punjab, it automatically means PPP has ditched coalition government (as governor rule was decision of head of PPP).
Announcement is not necessary. Governor rule cannot get imposed in a province until President orders Governor to take over (in consultation with PM or without). President of Pakistan Zardari is also head of PPP, coalition partner of PMLN in Punjab defunct government. So, the day Governor’s rule was imposed in Punjab, it automatically means PPP has ditched coalition government (as governor rule was decision of head of PPP).
Which means that Zardari didn't give chance to ruling party to show their strength in the assembly (vote of confidence) or come up with another candidate before governor rule.
Re: Section 144 imposed in Lahore
only for better or for worse.
Which means that Zardari didn't give chance to ruling party to show their strength in the assembly (vote of confidence) or come up with another candidate before governor rule.
Was there a ruling party in Punjab? It is a news to me, as what I know, there was coalition government in Punjab and ruling party was both PPP plus PMLN. When PPP lost interest in keeping that coalition going (after Shahbaz got disqualified), government fell.
Was there a ruling party in Punjab? It is a news to me, as what I know, there was coalition government in Punjab and ruling party was both PPP plus PMLN. When PPP lost interest in keeping that coalition going (after Shahbaz got disqualified), government fell.
"Ruling" in the sense that PML-N was the major shareholder in the 'coalition'. Anyways, the occurance of both disqualification and governor rule at same time tells you the motive behind it.
"Ruling" in the sense that PML-N was the major shareholder in the 'coalition'. Anyways, the occurance of both disqualification and governor rule at same time tells you the motive behind it.
Well, motive of Governor rule is obvious, that is end of coalition. As for major or minor shareholder, that is irrelevant, because government is incomplete without any one of the two. 60 pence do not make pound neither 40 pence, both have to be together to make pound. In same way, PNLN was not government neither PPP was government, only they together was government.
Re: Section 144 imposed in Lahore
*Lets not pretend to be little naive kids here, the governor rule was imposed ONLY for the sole purpose of horse trading. *
Re: Section 144 imposed in Lahore
Prelude to Operation Clean-up Lahore?
Are you talking sense? Horse trading means to buy members of other parties by breaking them from their own party, so that bought ‘lotas’ vote for different party candidates than party they belong. Governor rule is there to stop horse trading. Governor is saying that Governor would not allow members of one party to vote for another party (or, no lotaism, no horse trading).
Look at the standing of parties (even when independents are left as member of party):
Total MPA votes required for forming government is 186.
Present final standing:
PPP …: 107
PMLN …: 169
PMLQ …: .85
MMA …: … 2
PMLF …: …3
Ind …: …4
Now, anyone who can add could see that none of PMLN, PMLQ, or PPP could form government on their own, unless two joins together. Governor has clearly declared that if any two parties would come as partners, he would hand over the government to them. PMLN wants that they should be given chance to do horse trading so that they can buy MPAs (buy lotas) from other parties and make their required 186 MPAs, what governor do not want to let them do.
If PMLN do not believe on horse trading (Lotaism) and still want to form government, they should find a coalition partner to make their numbers. Else sit in opposition as losers, what they are from birth. Well, it is not just PMLN, but if PMLQ wants to form government or PPP wants to form government than they should find a partner for numbers, else governor rule would continue.
Well, motive of Governor rule is obvious, that is end of coalition.
and what was the reason of "end of coalition"?
and what was the reason of "end of coalition"?
Is it not obvious? There are many reasons but here are few: Throughout coalition period PPP wanted PMLN to run Punjab as coalition partner but PMLN wanted to run the show alone. PMLN was ruling Punjab with the help of PPP MPA votes but was not recognising those votes. Throughout PMLN was talking not only bad about PPP leadership, but were harassing PPP workers and voters in Punjab. Actually, PMLN were doing corruption in big way and abusing power in Punjab, and were harassing and victimising members of every political party in Punjab, including PPP and PMLQ (when PPP wanted to create new environment of conciliation in Pakistan).
Re: Section 144 imposed in Lahore
^ you are funny. Or naive.
Corruption is easy to prosecute when you have your own judges, why was that not done? Same goes for harassment.
I am sure PPP is not at all abusing power. Just about a hundred bureaucrats changed in Punjab. An elected government thrown into dustbin. Governor's rule for no reason. Section 144 in Punjab even before anyone protested and that too to stop 'democratic' right of people to protest.
Section 144 is not good thing in democracy but have you seen language of N$. He wanted to get that through lawers movement which he could not achieve in elections. Remember he has almost no representation in 3 of **4 **provinces.
Dude, The ground realities says otherwise,
If NS have no representation what soever, then y section 144 imposed? why all the front and 2nd line leaders and workers of PML(N) and allies are being arrested?
Let PML(N) find out that there is no body to support them in Pakistan and they should retire... why govt is calling Army and Rangers...
But i guess Rehman Malik is wetting his pants along with other PPPP ministers and leaders.. as they know what is the reality...
U r funny
If PML(N) tries to ally it is called buying LOTAS if PPP does the same it is creating partners… what a logic you have.. surely u r given a new task by ur peer..
Keep telling the jokes…