salam alaikum
Had a few questions
1- can a male have a second nikah without permission or knowledge of first wife
2-If wife objects can this be a grounds for divorce
3-what if the law of the land outlaws polygamy …can we do nikah [with muslim witnesses] without formally having a court marriage
4-if wife refuses to take “mahr” what shud be done can we give it to someone in her family , force her to take it etc
thanks if possible plz quote a hadith that proves your point
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^ what kind of a response is that ? plz answer the questions if you can
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your past posts as well as these questions proves it.
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If your wife objects, would you REALLY divorce her to marry a new one??
wow
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why do u want to get married second time? in my humble opinion u should have solid ground for it. yes u can marry as many times as religion allows u but can u keep justice and balance between the two. if u divorce the first one..... would u be able to forgive yourself for forcefully throwing her out of your life. what if the fault lies in you instead of your first wife?:(
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Where did he say he wants second marriage ?
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why is he collecting all details…compiling a book?
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he is probably doing it for someone else 
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Cmon girls, he doesn't mean anything wrong.
1- as far as i know, permission from first wife is not required.
2- ?not sure, but i guess it can be
3- yes you can, but may end up in jail
4- no you cannot give it to anyone else
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Why would a man want to marry a second time without his first wife finding out AND go against the law? the mere fact that he's seriously asking this Q speaks volumes about the shadiness of a person who's interested in comitting such acts.
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salam alaikum Had a few questions 1- can a male have a second nikah without permission or knowledge of first wife 2-If wife objects can this be a grounds for divorce 3-what if the law of the land outlaws polygamy ...can we do nikah [with muslim witnesses] without formally having a court marriage 4-if wife refuses to take "mahr" what shud be done can we give it to someone in her family , force her to take it etc
thanks if possible plz quote a hadith that proves your point
Peace bro Das Reich
1 - As far as I understand only one of the four Sunni schools (forgot which) allows this.
2 - Depends, if in the nikkah the section under conditions for marriage from the wife states that 'husband must remain monogomous' then yes the wife can get a divorce, because he will be in breach of his marriage contract.
3 - Yes, but in most countries that outlaw polygamy they do not outlaw adultery and so most cases are taken to the civil courts, rather than criminal.
4 - I don't understand the context of this question. In a nikkah if wife refuses to take mahr (or gives it as a gift back to her husband) this is completely acceptable. However, should later the marriage go sour ... the husband should provide for his ex-wife under other conditions.
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Why would a man want to marry a second time without his first wife finding out AND go against the law? the mere fact that he's seriously asking this Q speaks volumes about the shadiness of a person who's interested in comitting such acts.
Peace Sister Sara516
An Italian contractor was known intimately by two young women who he was involved with (this is a true story), he was very charming and very rich and cared for both of them. He kept each other a secret but eventually they found out about his two timing. Neither one of them wanted to end their relationship with him, eventually they accepted the fact that he spent time with the 'other girl' and low and behold he had two mistresses.
He married neither
He broke no law
He kept two women happy
Of course if he is sinning because Islam does not recognise relationships without marriage
What I am trying to say is that it may seem that in the West women are protected by the law of anti-polygamy but it is lame law, because it is ineffective at the adultery/fornication level. However, women still overcome their differences with the right sort of men. Not all women ... some!
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Peace bro Das Reich
1 - As far as I understand only one of the four Sunni schools (forgot which) allows this. 2 - Depends, if in the nikkah the section under conditions for marriage from the wife states that 'husband must remain monogomous' then yes the wife can get a divorce, because he will be in breach of his marriage contract. 3 - Yes, but in most countries that outlaw polygamy they do not outlaw adultery and so most cases are taken to the civil courts, rather than criminal. 4 - I don't understand the context of this question. In a nikkah if wife refuses to take mahr (or gives it as a gift back to her husband) this is completely acceptable. However, should later the marriage go sour ... the husband should provide for his ex-wife under other conditions.
thanks bro psyah for replying ,
now wife is saying that taking mahr makes her feel "degraded and humiliated" ...tried to explain to her that its a obligation but she refuses to take it
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Why would a man want to marry a second time without his first wife finding out AND go against the law? the mere fact that he's seriously asking this Q speaks volumes about the shadiness of a person who's interested in comitting such acts.
reason I am asking these questions is because i dont want to violate any laws islamic or otherwise
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Cmon girls, he doesn't mean anything wrong.
1- as far as i know, permission from first wife is not required.
2- ?not sure, but i guess it can be
3- yes you can, but may end up in jail
4- no you cannot give it to anyone else
thanks , as far as #2 I dont recall checking anything under "husband must remain monogamous"
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salam alaikum Had a few questions 1- can a male have a second nikah without permission or knowledge of first wife
Yes.
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2-If wife objects can this be a grounds for divorce
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That's a good question. I'd ask an aalim about that.
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3-what if the law of the land outlaws polygamy ...can we do nikah [with muslim witnesses] without formally having a court marriage
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If you were to do that, it wouldn't be considered a sin.
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4-if wife refuses to take "mahr" what shud be done can we give it to someone in her family , force her to take it etc
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From what I have heard, the wife does have the right to waive her mehr. Although this is usually significant when some husbands don't want to/having trouble in giving the mehr to their wives, then it is the wife who can forgive this obligation of the husband if she so chooses. Although in the case you mentioned, it doesn't seem like that's the case. I would refer to an aalim for that one.
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salam alaikum Had a few questions 1- can a male have a second nikah without permission or knowledge of first wife 2-If wife objects can this be a grounds for divorce 3-what if the law of the land outlaws polygamy ...can we do nikah [with muslim witnesses] without formally having a court marriage 4-if wife refuses to take "mahr" what shud be done can we give it to someone in her family , force her to take it etc
thanks if possible plz quote a hadith that proves your point
Second marriage...its amazes me that someone wants to keep two wifes and yet wants to back it up with religion. Wouldn't that person be a better human being if he tried to work on the issues he has with his first wife rather than getting a second wife?
I don't think a religious person is a better human being necessarilly than a non-religious person. It would be more productive to make yourself a better human being than to go through the motions of being a good muslim.
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thanks , as far as #2 I dont recall checking anything under "husband must remain monogamous"
Just like second marriage does not require wife's permission, similarly any difference between husband and wife thats not reconcilable can be a basis of divorce. Thats just my opinion. I may be wrong.
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if the wife insists on a "seperation" but not divorce on the model of western marriages is there a condition for this in islam?
for all practical purposes i think thats worse than marriage or divorce