Second Battle of Falluja begins

Oh my dayz

The amerikkkan nutcases are claiming the fallujah fighters are saddam loyalists oh come on talk about liying through your teeth rumsfield and his band of amerikkkan terrorists need to be taken out of commission soon as possible thier lies are beggining to even annoy non muslims with sense!

first it was iraqi armed forces, then saddam loyalists, then it was foriegn fighters all 3 of them, now its back to the saddam loyalists once again! :konfused:

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Now, for the doom and gloom folks, remember that the Shia south is remarkably quiet. No sympathetic uprisings in Najaf and Sadr city. In Najaf, Sadr lost so much credibility, and so many fighters that he is largely defanged. Somehow this progress is ignored, but 90 days ago that is all we could talk about.

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Najaf appears to be the model that is being used for Fallujah. The city itself will be substantially destroyed and after the demilitarization of the city, tons of money will flow in to show demonstrable reconstruction which will make the returnees happy. Najaf is pretty peaceful and the citizens have spent a quiet, happy Ramadan.

It's amazing that a small band of 3,000 to 5,000 thugs can basically be the catalyst for the destruction of a whole city. Of course, that is the end result that they feel is victory. So, when the city is levelled and every building is bombed out, both sides can claim victory. The thug leaders have no doubt already relocated to Ramadi and are setting up the next city for devastation. Hopefully, the citizenry will not follow the example of their brothers and sisters in Fallujah and protect the thugs. Hopefully, the will say, "we don't want our city to become the next Fallujah. Get out thugs."

**‘Watching tragedy engulf my city’ **](BBC NEWS | Middle East | 'Watching tragedy engulf my city')

US and Iraqi forces are locked in desperate street battles against insurgents in the Iraqi city of Falluja. The BBC News website spoke by phone to Fadhil Badrani, a journalist in Falluja who reports for the BBC World Service in Arabic.

I am surrounded by thick black smoke and the smell of burning oil.

There was a big explosion a few minutes ago and now I can hear gunfire.

A US armoured vehicle has been parked on the street outside my house in the centre of the city.

From my window, I can see US soldiers moving around on foot near it.

They tried to go from house to house but they kept coming under fire.

Now they are firing back at the houses, at anything that moves. It is war on the streets.

The American troops look like they have given up trying to go into buildings for now and are just trying to control the main roads.

I am sitting here on my own, watching tragedy engulf my city.

Looks like Kabul

I was with some of the Falluja fighters earlier. They looked tired - but their spirits were high and they were singing.

Local fighters have reportedly been joined by Iraqis from other cities
Recently, many Iraqis from other parts of the country have been joining the local men against the Americans.

No one has had much sleep in the past two days of heavy fighting and of course, it is still Ramadan, so no one eats during the day.

I cannot say how many people have been killed but after two days of bombing, this city looks like Kabul.

Large portions of it have been destroyed but it is so dangerous to leave the house that I have not been able to find out more about casualties.

Mosques silent

A medical dispensary in the city centre was bombed earlier.

I don’t know what has happened to the doctors and patients who were there.

It was last place you could get medical attention because the big hospital on the outskirts of Falluja was captured by the Americans on Monday.

A lot of the mosques have also been bombed.

For the first time in Falluja, a city of 150 mosques, I did not hear a single call to prayer this morning.

I broke my Ramadan fast yesterday with the last of our food - two potatoes and two tomatoes.

The tomatoes were rotten because we have no electricity to run the fridge.

My neighbours - a woman and her children - came to see me yesterday. They asked me to tell the world what is happening here.

I look at the devastation around me and ask - why?

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Electricity and phone lines are still up though? Impressive.

Mattos eating tomatoes. There’s hope. Wonder if the insurgents are Sunni or Shias. How come the guy’s phone is working while a war is going on outside? Shouldn’t the idiot just shut up and take cover?

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*Originally posted by Ohioguy: *
Now, for the doom and gloom folks, remember that the Shia south is remarkably quiet. No sympathetic uprisings in Najaf and Sadr city. In Najaf, Sadr lost so much credibility, and so many fighters that he is largely defanged. Somehow this progress is ignored, but 90 days ago that is all we could talk about.
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I love the way that you completely ignored Sistani's role in calming it down. Sistani explicitly said violence is not the way (yet), and immediately at that point Sadr lost most of his support base.

There is no Sistani for sunnis, on the other hand.

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Mattos eating tomatoes. There’s hope. Wonder if the insurgents are Sunni or Shias. How come the guy’s phone is working while a war is going on outside? Shouldn’t the idiot just shut up and take cover?
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His computer must run on a generator (screw the fridge, gots to blog!)and it's modem must work with the old tin cans and string data transfer setup.

^ Clutching at straws.

^^ He's dictating into a satellite phone.

Maddy, here is what I said:

"What a waste of life. The real shame is that there IS a political solution that is available. "

Sistani is simply confirmation of that. Sadr is muzzled. The problem is that Sunni's do not want to be ruled by a Shia majority. So they believe they can rule by violence and intimidation as in the past.

And, there is definitely no Shia/Sunni cooperation, that was pretty short lived.

Long live greater Iran then :hehe: You guys are screwed any which way you spin it.

At least 16 Americans have been killed in the past two days across Iraq (news - web sites), the military said — including three killed in Fallujah combat on Tuesday, two killed by mortars near the northern city of Mosul and 11 others who died Monday, most of them as guerrillas launched a wave of attacks in Baghdad and southwest of Fallujah.

Mashallah.

:smiley:

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=11831

Iraqi insurgents seize centre of Ramadi

More news from the front.

No Iraqi army or national guard unit fought in Al Fallujah, sources close to the Interim Iraqi Government (IIG) say. Iraqi national guard units reportedly have refused to attack guerrilla positions; their commanders have been unable to make soldiers move forward and some officers are siding with the troops

:hehe:

:jazak:

May God help our brothers rid this Earth of these invader scum and give them a speedy ride to hell. Amen.

^ brothers? You have brothers in Iraq? You mean as in mercenaries? How did the get the visa? They must stand out - kalay Pakis in the middle of white Iraqis.

^^ 16 of them are already sent to hell. That’s a god progress.

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^^ 16 of them are already sent to hell. That’s a god progress.
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Inshallah many more will follow.

God willing, America's heroic soldiers will emerge victorious yet again in Falluja.

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*Originally posted by Stu: *
God willing, America's heroic soldiers will emerge victorious yet again in Falluja.
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they can be victorious in this world, but hell awaits them in here after inshallah

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God willing, America's heroic soldiers will emerge victorious yet again in Falluja.
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Victory?Bombing a city is victory. Destroying Its only hospital
is victory. Wow. Yes, If this is a victory than you and people
like you can enjoy and feel proud.