Second Battle of Falluja begins

Looks like it’s all starting today.

My prediction: After the humiliation of last time (April '04), the US-led Colonial Occupation Force … errr.. I mean US-led coalition, will not allow the last Free Iraqi holding to remain in control again. Overwhelming firepower will be brought to bear and Falluja will fall, but be remembered as a national legend in years to come.

The city that refused to cave in to the whims of foreign military occupiers and their local lapdog for 18 whole months, fought to the last and caved in only under utterly impossible odds.

It will be Iraq’s Thermopolae, with Falluja’s brave sons as Sparta’s doomed and yet utterly heroic warriors who held off thousands upon thousands of soldeirs of the Persian Empire, the superpower of the day.

It will be Iraq’s Massada, with Falluja’s men refusing to cave in to the Roman Empire as that handful of Jews did.

It will be Iraq’s Alamo, with Falluja’s small band of no more than 6000 citizens being crushed under the weight of the US army as the Mexican army stomped out that small mission’s defenders after their siege.

Starting today, a legend will be born.

I’d like to use this post to track the events of the battle ahead. Also, could all those who post here, mods included, please be clear on which side in the battle they are supporting. I’ll start.

I am most definately supporting Falluja’s defenders. I hope they’ll pull off a final stand that goes down in history and does us all proud!

yah wait till p-diddy merges this thread with that other more-than-a-year old thread :>

http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=146983

So far, Colonial … errr… Coalition forces have crossed the Euphrates and seized the city’s hospital. They are now preventing the free movement of medical personnel through Falluja.

I’m sure that this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Falluja’s hospital doctors were the main source Iraqis have for information on the number of their country’s civilians cut down by the US army.

After all, preventing medical personnel from going around the city treating people in no-way whatsoever prevents them from being able to count dead and wounded civilians through the city. I’m sure that there will not be large scale civilian deaths going unnoticed now in Falluja in the coming days…

They have been bombarding Falluja since day one they never stopped it has been a city under seige since the scumbag terrorist amerikkkan forces have been in the area.

Don't be surprised if you see israeli style masacres in falluja the israelis and amerikkkans are the same and most likely collaborating on this killing expedition!

Let's hope the invaders, occupiers and thier lackeys get what they deserve and the brave defenders of Falujjah give them a bloody nose.

The second Bush tenure has started, the way the first one finished with the continuing massacre of muslims.

The overwhelming fire power of the invaders will prevail in the end but lets hope the brave fighters and liberators of Iraq will teach them a lesson they will remember.

This will be an object lesson in guerrilla warfare.

1) Guerrillas should never congregate in one place in the face of superior firepower. Extreme mistake to mass too many in Fallujah.

2) You are not a man if you did not evacuate your family from this town. Women and children who are killed have been betrayed by their men, and are nothing more than human shields, and propaganda fodder.

3) The seizing of the hospital prevents lies from being told to the parroting Arab media. The Marines did not lose in April, politics lost Falluja. The rebels have already lost their best weapon.

4) There are more than triple the number of US troops cmpared to April. This will allow US troops to rotate nonstop, while the resistance must fight every man 24 hours per day.

5) With civillians largely evacuated, much better use of heavy weapons can be used. Huge advantage to the coalition.

6) There are over 1100 Green Berets, many working with Iraqi forces, who are fresh to the country. This is the largest deployment of Special Forces since Vietnam. They are the perfect force to fight the insurgents. Snipers will pick off insurgents in every corner of the city, night and day. Snipers are the perfect precision weapon, and every sniper in country will be mobilized to Fallujah. Insurgents will not get a chance to go face to face with US troops. US casualties will be much less than initailly thought.

7) The city is sealed. Any resistance fighter not out of the city will be captured or killed.

8) Ramadi is next.

9) This will be done and over in 4-6 days with the coalition slowly grinding away at times, and tearing in with armor other times. Stupid and hopless on the part of the insugents. A huge waste of manpower that could be better put to use by spreading out.

10) This is not some heroic effort, it is a huge strategic mistake, and Muslim forces will suffer one more humiliating defeat. The war of attrition that usually marks a resistance will suffer.

11) Anybody worried about Najaf or Sadr City lately? Not many Shia problems eh? That frees up a lot of troops for the Sunni Triangle. Unless Najaf and Sadr city explode as a result of Fallujah, the insurgents will have suffered an extreme blow.

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3) The seizing of the hospital prevents lies from being told to the parroting Arab media. The Marines did not lose in April, politics lost Falluja. The rebels have already lost their best weapon.

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Now it will allow CNN and the most honest and truthful of all medias Fox news to narrate lies being told by the marines and hiding the civilians casualties being brought into the hospital. already they are not allowing the ambulances to go into Falujjah to pick up the injured. Butchery at its best.

As for the rest of the points you have been watching Fox news religiously. The marines got licked in April, whether you like it or not. But than if fox news says it was a political defeat than it must be political defeat. Huh!!!!

Beginning of the end?](BBC NEWS | Middle East | Beginning of the end?)

The battle for Falluja is supposed to be the beginning of the end.

The plan is that US troops, supported by forces from the interim Iraqi government, will drive a stake through the heart of the insurgency, thereby opening the way for elections to take place across the country on 27 January next year.

In turn, those elections are designed to produce a transitional assembly and government, leading to a new constitution and a fully elected government by the end of next year, after which the foreign troops can think of leaving.

**Is this therefore a decisive moment? The problem with decisive moments is that they tend to be followed by other decisive moments. **

The battle for Falluja is one that the Americans and the interim Iraqi government have to fight if they are to impose their will on the country.

Historical parallels

It is, however, a stage in the pacification of Iraq and not the solution itself.

It incidentally shows that Saddam Hussein’s prediction that the real war would begin only after the invasion had some truth in it.

A parallel is being drawn in some quarters with the British Army’s Operation Motorman in 1972 in which “no-go areas” held by the Irish Republican Army were retaken. That, too, was declared as a decisive moment.

**The issue is whether the Iraqi forces play a more substantial role than that of video extras ** :hehe:

If it was, it took a long time to take effect. The IRA decided to melt away and fight another day. And the fight lasted another 30 years or so.

**Another parallel more relevant perhaps for the US marines is the battle they fought to regain control of the South Vietnamese city of Hue after the Vietcong’s Tet offensive in January 1968.

That battle was seen at the time as instrumental in bolstering the South Vietnamese government but in the long run the Vietcong and the North Vietnamese won anyway.

The marines are hoping that this time the final outcome will be different - that the insurgents have no real strength in depth, no easy source of supply and that therefore they can be beaten. **

The rebels in Falluja appear to have decided to fight.

Role of Iraqi forces

The first hurdle therefore that this operation has to overcome is to avoid major civilian casualties.

If it turns out to be a blood bath, the warning from the UN Secretary General Kofi Annan that it might jeopardise the very political process it is designed to support, could come true.

It is important that the interim Iraqi government be seen to be the leader. It is obvious that the main fighting will be undertaken by the Americans.

But there will be a temptation for the Americans, for political reasons, to play up the role of the Iraqi troops.

Already there have been television pictures of Iraqis in smart uniforms. The issue is whether the Iraqi forces play a more substantial role than that of video extras.

The interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi has certainly presented himself as the man in charge, not any US general. And there is little reason to doubt that.

He has used phrases like “rule of law” to explain what he is doing.

If he can project this as an Iraqi-led strategy, he might gain some credit among potential supporters. But he must also be counting on getting public support simply because he is trying to impose order.

After the battle

Key problems will remain after the battle is over.

The hope among US and Iraqi government strategists is that the insurgents will at last be on the run and that the tide will be turned.

**The fear is that the insurgents will gain more support, that they will be dispersed but will not disappear. **

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Another terrorist dealt by the US forces.

This is what BBC said about this terrorist:

This little injured boy lost his father to US bombing, hospital officials said.

Why would a father still have his child in a city like this? Would you?

are you sure they have the means to move? are you sure that the father hasnt been killed in the bombing?

women and children are more dependent on men in Muslim countries, and in the absence of husbands/fathers who may easily have been killed HAVE to stay at home because they wouldnt know where to go.

get it?

No I wouldn't, but then we dont know the circumstances. Maybe, he could not leave because the routes were sealed. Maybe, he had nowhere else to go. We can't just make assumptions. On the other hand if he was a fighter it is highly unlikely that he would have his young son with him.

We (The Muslims 'ALHAMDULILLAH') have been promised Victory in this world in the Quran in the End. This world needs to know the attrocities of the America in Iraq against the Muslims. We (The Muslims) need to unite; because once we are united then no Super Power in this world would even dare to stare at us. The Iraqis would (INSHALLAH) win their freedom soon. I salute the Martyred Freedom Fighters who will be Blessed in Jannah (Heaven), as far as those coward occupiers are concerned, all those who have been killed by our Brave and Honoured Freedom Fighters, they would be thrown in the deepest part of Hell. 'ALLAH(S.W.T)' give us the courage and the might to destroy those non-believers of Islam who are against the Muslims. 'AMEEN'

how hypocritical is this? on the one hand they maintain that these people are foreign fighters, remnants of saddam's forces amassed in one city, and then can easily switch to implicitly saying that the kids and women dying are probably wards of local people involved in the fighting (and thus they didnt move)... merely in order to justify inner qualms/shift blame.

and i know, that inwardly they have already reconciled these images as uncomfortable means to an end.. only saying that outright isnt really good public rep..

please brothers dont lose hope in allah’s mercy. ppl might say u r living in fools world for wishing victory against these odds, but didnt we win in badr against an army 3 times our size and a lot more superior in weapons? it is the month of badr and allah does not change his sunnah if we are true to our covenant. tonight, wake up before suhoor and pray a little tahajjud. ask allah to help the muslims. in your witr ask allah to humiliat the disbelievers, to empower the muslims. may allah grant us victory in this time of tribulation, but if he choses to give us defeat, dont lose hope and dont say allah abandoned us, inshallah
we are witnessing history these days, if we dont wake up at this time then i dont know we might ever be able to stand up again until the second coming of jesus :saw:

Don’t worry…current attack on falluja deserves a separate thread and therefore I am not going to merge it with a 8 month old thread…may Allah bless all of us…I personally thought that there will be no military action till the end of holly month Ramadan

I'll put aside 1 dollar for every invader killed, and inshallah send a sunstantial sum off to the red cresent or other such charity in days to come.

May Allah in his benevolent mercy and wisdom ensure I don't run into debt, but also that I raise a tidy sum. Ameen.

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if we can make Iraqi nationalists fighting for their country an "Islamic brigade" and tie their victory/loss with that of "Muslims" around the world.. surely some hick from rural America can hang a cross on his artillery.

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What else is this but another Crusade by the kaffir west in the muslim lands they will leave just like last time with the nails in their coffins!