Scotland Yard: Injury From Blast Killed Bhutto

Sad news for conspiracy theorists (if New York Times and/or Scotland Yard are to be trusted that is :smiley: ):

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/08/world/asia/08bhutto.html?ex=1360126800&en=0abda3b4f7db18d6&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

** Injury From Blast Killed Bhutto, Report Says **

WASHINGTON — Investigators from Scotland Yard have concluded that Benazir Bhutto, the Pakistani opposition leader, died after hitting her head as she was tossed by the force of a suicide blast, not from an assassin’s bullet, officials who have been briefed on the inquiry said Thursday.

  The findings support the Pakistani government’s explanation of Ms. Bhutto’s death in December, an account that had been greeted with disbelief by Ms. Bhutto’s supporters, other Pakistanis and medical experts.

Also on Thursday, the Pakistani government announced the arrest of two more suspects in connection with the assassination plot but gave few other details.
Thousands of Ms. Bhutto’s supporters gathered in her hometown in southern Pakistan, marking the end of a 40-day mourning period.

It is unclear how the Scotland Yard investigators reached such conclusive findings absent autopsy results or other potentially important evidence that was washed away by cleanup crews in the immediate aftermath of the blast, which also killed more than 20 other people.

The British inquiry also determined that a lone gunman, whose image was captured in numerous photographs at the scene, also caused the explosion, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the report has not been made public. Pakistani authorities originally said there were two assailants, based partly on photographs splashed across the front pages of the nation’s leading newspapers.

Scotland Yard investigators relayed their key findings to the government of President Pervez Musharraf on Thursday, according to the officials.
The investigators are expected to present a formal report to the Pakistani government on Friday, as well as to Ms. Bhutto’s widower, Asif Ali Zardari, now co-chairman of her Pakistan Peoples Party, and the couple’s 19-year-old son, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, who is a student in London.

Scotland Yard said through a spokesman in London that it would have no comment on the Bhutto report until after it was made public. The British team is to present its report on Friday to the additional inspector general of police, Abdul Majid, who is leading the Pakistani investigation team.
Scotland Yard’s report will be presented just days before the country’s parliamentary elections on Feb. 18.

The findings are certain to be met with widespread skepticism, especially from Mrs. Bhutto’s supporters who blame the government for her death, in particular Mr. Musharraf and the leading politician of the party that backs him, Pervez Elahi. They also are unlikely to calm the turmoil in the country now that the 40 days of mourning has ended.

Mr. Zardari and his party’s supporters say they believe she was shot, as do people who were riding with Ms. Bhutto when she died on Dec. 27 after her vehicle came under attack as she left a political rally in Rawalpindi.
The doctors who treated Ms. Bhutto told a member of the hospital board, an eminent lawyer, Athar Minallah, that she had most likely been shot. Ms. Bhutto’s brazen killing set off days of violent protests and rioting across Pakistan. To allay public anger and to lend credibility to the investigations into the assassination plot, Mr. Musharraf invited a team of Scotland Yard forensic experts to assist Pakistani investigators in early January.

But the British investigators have faced several hurdles, including the compromise of the crime scene by cleanup crews and Mr. Zardari’s refusal to allow an examination of Ms. Bhutto’s body.

Mr. Musharraf has said that among the pieces of evidence potentially available to investigators was an X-ray taken by hospital technicians of Ms. Bhutto’s wounded skull. Investigators pored over hundreds of photographs taken at the scene, many by people with cellphone cameras.

The question of an autopsy became central to the circumstances of Ms. Bhutto’s death because of conflicting versions of the critical events put forward by the Pakistani government.

Ms. Bhutto was standing in an open-roofed vehicle at the time of the attack. On the night she was killed, an unidentified Interior Ministry spokesman was quoted by the official Pakistani news agency as saying that she had died of a “bullet wound in the neck by a suicide bomber.”

But the official account later released by Pakistan’s government said that she had not been shot, but had instead died as a result of a skull fracture caused when her head struck a lever on her vehicle’s sunroof as she ducked back into the vehicle during the attacks.

Even as the authorities in Islamabad prepared to receive the report, the government on Thursday announced the arrests of the two additional suspects in Ms. Bhutto’s death. Pakistani officials said that they were arrested Thursday morning in Rawalpindi, a city about seven miles from the capital that is home to the army’s headquarters. They gave few other details.

“All I can say is that two persons by the name of Husnain and Rafaqat were arrested today in the morning,” said Javed Iqbal Cheema, a retired brigadier who is the spokesman for the Interior Ministry, in a telephone interview Thursday evening.

The government officials described the arrests as an “important breakthrough,” but they did not say what role they believed the two arrested played in Ms. Bhutto’s death.

Mr. Cheema denied reports that one of the arrested men was the brother of the man said to have been the suicide bomber. Pakistani officials consider Baitullah Mehsud, the militant leader of the South Waziristan region, as one of the prime suspects in the Bhutto case.

Last month, the authorities arrested a teenager from North-West Frontier Province in connection with the case and later made an additional arrest. Both suspects are now under investigation, according to the Interior Ministry.
In Garhi Khuda Baksh in southern Sindh Province, where Ms. Bhutto is buried at her family mausoleum, caravans of supporters started gathering Thursday morning, according to the local news media. Prayer services were also held in other cities.

Re: Scotland Yard: Injury From Blast Killed Bhutto

seems like a pointless topic, since you're shutting down disagreement by calling others conspiracy theorists from the get-go.

the idea that she died from hitting her head because of the force of the blast doesnt seem to be borne out by the many videos which show her going down before the blast happens. infact when the first flash of the bomb appears she is already in the car.

unless we live in a warped world where shock waves travel faster than light, there is some discrepancy here.

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hmmm interesting. Did they also look at this video as part of their evidence?

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Yes. Scotland Yard personnel are clearly incompetent. I mean who are they to question a shaky cell phone video footage and draw their own conclusions?

And yes, I do believe that it is a pointless topic. Even if the government blatantly lied about it, there is no reason whatsoever to suggest that it would benefit anyone at all. I always questioned the logic behind members on this board going back on forth on this non-issue for hours.

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Look. Do you want to talk about this or dont you?

You opened the topic, and yet you say there is no point to discuss it. You copy paste material and are incapable of defending it.

Let me know if you actually want to debate this. Not interested in mindless partisan group-think. Incidentally I was one of those who made the same point you make when the whole how she died discussion was going on, but didnt then go on to open a thread on how she died two months later.

Their verdict, as described, contradicts basic physics.

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Huh? Clearly I want to discuss it (thus the reason why I opened the thread, as you stated yourself). My point was that it is a non-issue anyways.

In addition, how have I just copy or pasted something? I cited an article (see the link) for a clear reason. And how the hell am I going to defend it? Does Scotland Yard need me to vindicate their investigation reports? Its the conspiracy theorists who need to defend their stance. Just because I show you a video of a face on Mars doesn't mean that scientists need to disprove the notion of life on that planet. It is the conspiracy theorists who need to back their claims up with some substance.

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You're Kool:

why is death of BB a non-issue?

where you taking part in the discussion when there were multiple threads about her death and cause of her death? or were you a silent reader?

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So, to distill your point to a bare minimum, the dozens of videos showing her assasination, including videos shot by journalists, are not reliable?

if there is any substance to this thread beyond "ha ha scotland yard took my side" and "boo hoo scotland yard is lieing" you need to actually address criticism/comments directed at the report.

Simply saying that all cameras filming the incident were somehow inaccurate and the report is the Lord's word is ridiculous.

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Scotland Yard are independent experts, we on this forum are not.

I'd rather take the conclusion of people who specialise in this sort of thing, than take the conclusion of some random Pakistani on some web forum.

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to take that argument to its logical conclusion, Vizier, we should eliminate PA and WA and just post links to nice, reputable, independent, expert political thinktanks.

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Experts they are. Independent? We on this forum cannot say that conclusively. But you can go ahead and believe what they concluded since they are experts in this sort of thing and they went to a friendly country and conducted an investigation after most of the evidence had been washed away. Their conclusion is almost the same as that of Pak govt conclusion minus the "leeever" thingy.

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The death of BB isn't a non-issue. The manner of her death, however, is. At the end of the day, it doesn't make a difference if she died because of a bullet or a Vulcan mind meld. Its all trivial.

And yes, I was taking parts in multiple discussions regarding her death throughout this board. Don't take my word. You can check my posting history to see for yourself. After a while, I just got tired of all the baseless and unproductive conspiracy theories being tossed around and waited until something objective (like news about a report from Scotland Yard) came along.

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And this is what I'm talking about. Another conspiracy theory.

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objectivity doesnt necessarily imply correctness or competance. theres no real reason to believe a report if it is subject to such easy criticism with little rebuttal except "they're experts!" or "maybe all the cameras were faulty".

unfortunately the manner of her death was debated to a inordinate extent, driven largely by the press conferences. there is a dearth of credibility and trust now, and this report will be dismissed by partisans in the same vein.

however, even an objective reading of the report isnt convincing.

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it is called thinking outside the dabba, try it for a change :hmmm:

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Look, i mean Kool. Its a discussion forum where we discuss the news stories. If we just wanted to "read" and "believe" the news stories, we would not discuss them here. If someone doesnt agree with what you read in your news, no point coming here and calling them conspiracy theorist. If you are unable to defend your POV thats ok, but dont come here berating other's POV just cos you found a news item.

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This does put a different flavour on conclusions drawn earlier, I was of the firm belief that it was a gunshot that caused her injury.......


However if you take a closer look at the way this punk was holding the gun...............


it was above his head and the barrel of the gun was not lined up with his line of sight. so he was shooting without taking true aim.....


also he was walking along and not standing the way a proper shooter would have done...........


And those dark shades he was wearing his visibility was limited..shooters do not wear shades..... only in Movies.
Hence the Blast rocked the SUV.......and She was hit by the roof.....



Or there was a High Powered Rifle shot that went clean through!

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Unfortunately dawn footage proves "SCOTLAND YARD" wrong.
No yard, mi, cia will agree (with USA backed dictator) on BBs assassination and her death to be a deadly shot fired by trained men of an agency. Period!

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Time to move on. Unless the body is exhumed and an autopsy is done, people can argue as to how she died until the cows come home.

People should accept the result, or call for an autopsy.

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^Fact Is nothing is going to change even after an autospy. Yard have been bribed is there any force which cannot be bribed by "pheron" himself with blessings of USA?