modern science has accomplished alot in our quest to answer questions about the world we live in.
why do we exist? big bang. how did human life come about? evolution. why do we feel the way we do? neurotransmitters in our brain. why do we act the way we do? conditioning, environmental stimuli, and genetics.
these were questions that were answered by traditional religion in past centuries. is science the modern man’s religion?
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Where did the big bang come frmo ? Where did the ball of matter come from ? Where is the missing link ? Why is the brain so amazingly complex, how could such a complex organism be purely a creation of chance and luck ?
Science can never replace Allah and the Quran.
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why do we exist? big bang. how did human life come about? evolution. why do we feel the way we do? neurotransmitters in our brain. why do we act the way we do? conditioning, environmental stimuli, and genetics.
these were questions that were answered by traditional religion in past centuries. is science the modern man's religion?
Such a wonderful question but there is a small problem. The things you are saying that science has answered our questions about world/universe and life but the references you gave are just theories as in there is no proven fact of those claims unless you are a believer.
The wisdom of menkind, which we call science is not something that is here to eleminate Allah but is here to prove there is only one and true Allah.
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Science CAN be turned into a pseudo-religion, just as religion can be used as pseudo-science.
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If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument.
It is exactly of the same nature as the view, that the world rested upon an elephant, and the elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when you ask, "How about the tortoise?" the reply is, "Suppose we change the subject."
The argument is really no better than that. There is no reason why the world could not have come into being without a cause; nor, on the other hand, is there any reason why it should not have always existed.
There is no reason to suppose that the world had a beginning at all. The idea that things must have a beginning is really due to the poverty of human imagination.
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Hahahaha. Good point.
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Say(o Muhammad) "He is Allah"(the One).
Allah Hu Sammad(Allah-The self sufficient Master,Whom all creatures need,(he neither eats nor drinks).He begots not,nor was he begotten.
And there is none co-equal or copmparable unto Him.
Surah112.
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Kodiak is talking about the Creation not the Creator.Allah is The creator of every thing.He is from the begining and He Will be forever.Everything is going to end but Allah Is forever.
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why do we exist? big bang.
Perhaps you should read the statement of the big wigs of the Big Bang theory. They all accept that their theory (note theory not proof) cannot hold true with the existence of a creator.
Still a theory. No intermiedate forms have ever been discovered. Believing every thing came about to this perfection by chance has just as much fallacy in it for one who cannot accept the notion of God.
Very good for human progress in understanding the mechanism God has created us with. However can science evolve such human mechanism from just clay as God has told us through the Quran about how human was created.
Religion to me is just recognizing Allah's message to us so we don't loose focus of what we are supposed to get out from this life. We need to be prepared to face Allah before death reaches us. Surely science will not help us achieve that. Nothing against science, we are heading in the right direction as we progress with science however what many lack is the goal they tend to achieve through science. As long as science is used for understanding the creations of Allah and benefit from it then it is good however if we think we are developing science to prove the Creator wrong then its only to our detriment.
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:k:
science is addressing HOW things are made, and built:
example:
How was iron created? nuclear fusion in the heart of massive stars
religion is addressing WHY are things there, the way the are
example:
Why do human exist? because Allah created us
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why do we exist? big bang. how did human life come about? evolution. why do we feel the way we do? neurotransmitters in our brain. why do we act the way we do? conditioning, environmental stimuli, and genetics.
these were questions that were answered by traditional religion in past centuries. is science the modern man's religion?
big bang theory do not explain WHY we exist....it is only a tentative explanationof the diversity of atoms, particules and stellar objects observed by scientist, but a theory that has a lot of flaws.
even if big bang theory was reallly the origin of our universe, it would not explain why i happened, only HOW universe was created.
HOw did human life come about? no science do not answer, because is NOT explaning WHAT is human! it is a philosph job to draw the definition of humanity, the borderline between humans and animals.
Science do not explain why I am inclined towards science and linguistics, science can only tell me HOW do my brain react when i read science or hear a new language.
Science do not explain WHY mouse like music in their cages, it only explains HOW mouse react to music in a lab.
neurotransmiters describe HOW the brain work (partly), not WHY!
it's a well known fact that a false initial statement leads to false conclusions.
lots of pseudo scientists are trying to make us believe that science answers questions about life that no real scientists would write in any serious science journal. Only demagogic scientists in search of fame and funds can make some blabla about metaphysics and pseudo science taking over religion.
Religion is not challenged by science, and science is not challenged by religion, as long as we are aware that those disciplines are reguling different parts of human knowledge
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I wrote a long post, then deleted it. I just think this is not the right place to discuss religion. I would rather discuss my views/questions with an Islamic scholar, someone who has a good understanding of Islam and one with whom I can have a 'meaningful' conversation.
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Off course they do not challenge each other.
Science is exact science where everything is false until proven otherwise. Unproven or illproven are not even considered, but they are called theories.
Religion asks you to believe everything and all which is written, proving those things dont mean anything, believing does.
When people start mixing the two they have problem.
Science = Reason (Faith has nothing to do with it)
Religion = Faith (Reason has nothing to do with it)
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No I was just trying to elaborate the point that where is the end. Its an infinite cyle of questions. Just like if everything has a creator then who is the creator of creator? So its a never ending story.
Scientifically speaking what time in the epoch do you consider to be the begining? or forever?
As you say He will be forever, I am sure He will be forever, but its a pity niether you or I can prove it.
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Science is exact science where everything is false until proven otherwise. Unproven or illproven are not even considered, but they are called theories.
Religion asks you to believe everything and all which is written, proving those things dont mean anything, believing does.
When people start mixing the two they have problem.
Science = Reason (Faith has nothing to do with it) Religion = Faith (Reason has nothing to do with it)
Well said light bearer. I would like to ask USA resident, to prove the theory of God. Religion pre defines god and explain everything on the basis of that. I would say, religion is easy because once u create a supernatural assumption then nothing that is natural can disapprove the assumption.
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Alot of people on this thread saying the big bang, evulotion ,how our brain works are just theories .....okay fine lets suppose they r theories.
Then my question is whatever written in quran is a theory too . has anyone ever been able to prove it watever is written in quran. the way quran explains the judgement day,what happenes in grave, judgement day punishments,the way allah created human ,the way he sent Adam to earth, Allah is the creator and he'll be here for ever forever.Is there anybody who can prove it. The answer is NO nobody
Dont take me wrong but these r just the theories too. Its just our belief which makes it strong and reasonable
Concept of THE ONE has been here for ages but the concept of science has just started. And dont forget a normal human being uses 8 % of his brain . if with the usage of 8% we human can disclose that much of knowledge just think about it whats gonna happen when human mind is going to reach at its max. I think by that time scienec gonna have pretty much every answer to any question.
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"By it(Qur'an) He misleads many and many He guides thereby,and He misleads only those who are Al-Fasiqun.(rebellious,disobedient to Allah)".
(al-Baqarah)
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So why blame and burn the poor humans for the shortcoming.
Hareem I respect your beliefs, I don't agree to most of your posts but thats another matter.
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Scientifically speaking what time in the epoch do you consider to be the begining? or forever?
As you say He will be forever, I am sure He will be forever, but its a pity niether you or I can prove it.
Allah Is the One Who created Time and Space.........
So The Time of Universe is also His creation.Only we(His Creation) need time measuring.Allah is all above His creation.
You Love you parents,wife,kidzzzz.Prove it.
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Hareem I respect your beliefs, I don't agree to most of your posts but thats another matter.
Read carefully.........."and he misleads only those who are Fasiqun"
im here to speak truth....im not convincing anyone.you agree or dont ........does'nt affect me.And the benefit of being on the true side is that no one can beat you.I may be wrong sometime..........i'll be happy if someone guide me to the right .