Interesting development. Where does this leave the Mush-BB deal? More importantly, how does Musharraf respond? He’s already declared that neither BB nor NS will be allowed to come back before elections.
Yahoooooooo..Nawaz Sharif won …
Its a great day…
7 honurable judges unanimously declared the agreement …as a trash piece..and threw it into the dustbin…as no document can beat the authority of Constitution of paksiatn..which says under Article 15..every citizen..has a right to come to pakistan…
Another punch into the Dictator’s ***…
APP …our correspodent …recetly reported that Sheikh Rasheed is gone to nearby sugar cane field to have some nice “Chuppa” …
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Who's commanding 111 Bde these days?
Brig S Satti now Lt Gen and CGS and 80% sure hopeful for VCOAS in few months was the commander in 1999.
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Chale jee, this dawa-e-dill turned out to be a gunja support.
No kiddin :D
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ok disregarding the agreement, i am sure, SC should also disregard any punishment waved due this agreement. so ganja again in same $hite spent the years in jail.
or he is so innocent?
above everything, this bunch judges making history in Pakistan.
Free media and free courts :)
though courts only listening to SC level common man still have to face same old zalalat.
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So I checked, Brig Asim Bajwa is the 111 Bde Cdr.
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Who's commanding 111 Bde these days?
Brig S Satti now Lt Gen and CGS and 80% sure hopeful for VCOAS in few months was the commander in 1999.
I keep hearing Satti's name but why not Kiani? He's senior and apparently a professional soldier to the core.
Re: Yahoooooooo..Nawaz Sharif won ....
Its a great day.....
APP ...our correspodent ...recetly reported that Sheikh Rasheed is gone to nearby sugar cane field to have some nice "Chuppa" ...:)
hahahaha along with Wasit Zafar and Abdul Qyuoom. lol
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Yeah Shak, if Nawaz disregards the agreement that was, as he says, thrust on him, on its revocation he should then be ready and agreeing to face the consequences that the agreement saved him from for 7 years.
What does the PPC/CrPC say among other things about;
*Civilian aircraft hijacking, *
*Denial of landing rights to a short-on-fuel national carrier flight *
**A flight that was carrying over a hundred souls, men, women and children included?
A flight that also carried the country's serving COAS, a symbol of national sanctity, honour, prestige and sovereignty?
Highly intelligent orders to the Captain such as "go anywhere, go to Bombay..." ?
Directing a flight described as above carrying civilian men women children and the country's lawfully serving COAS to land on hostile territory inside the nation's arch rival India which has been an open enemy, and thus causing trampling over of national prestige, out of personal paranoia?
Attempted murder, massacre, treason?
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Yeah Shak, if Nawaz disregards the agreement that was, as he says, thrust on him, on its revocation he should then be ready and agreeing to face the consequences that the agreement saved him from for 7 years.
What does the PPC/CrPC say among other things about;
*Civilian aircraft hijacking, *
*Denial of landing rights to a short-on-fuel national carrier flight *
**A flight that was carrying over a hundred souls, men, women and children included?
A flight that also carried the country's serving COAS, a symbol of national sanctity, honour, prestige and sovereignty?
Highly intelligent orders to the Captain such as "go anywhere, go to Bombay..." ?
Directing a flight described as above carrying civilian men women children and the country's lawfully serving COAS to land on hostile territory inside the nation's arch rival India which has been an open enemy, and thus causing trampling over of national prestige, out of personal paranoia?
Attempted murder, massacre, treason?
**
Oh pleaseeeee!!!!!! Mushrraf had preplanned the coup to oust NS govt long before that. Have you read Mushrraf in the line of fire? He admits it himself and said when previous COAS was sent home by NS army decided then they will let that happened again. Its in his book. Wouldn't you call that a treason?
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I keep hearing Satti's name but why not Kiani? He's senior and apparently a professional soldier to the core.
Yup, Kiani I think could bag CJCSC and as i feel the loyalty battle for VCOAS would be between Salahuddin Satti and Tariq Majeed both of whom swapped their posts few months ago. I'm not sure who's the most junior and which course all belong to, i think Kiani is senior next is Majeed. Any clues on the seniority and courses?
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Oh pleaseeeee!!!!!! Mushrraf had preplanned the coup to oust NS govt long before that. Have you read Mushrraf in the line of fire? He admits it himself and said when previous COAS was sent home by NS army decided then they will let that happened again. Its in his book. Wouldn't you call that a treason?
err...sorry to you your perception...
and I only *read *what was *written *in ITLOF, not what one could imagine to be written in empty spaces between the lines...
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err...sorry to you your perception...
and I only *read *what was *written *in ITLOF, not what one could imagine to be written in empty spaces between the lines...
Give me sometime I will scan the page and post it just for you. :)
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Also let me know how all that would be relevant to what Nawaz Sharif and cronies were upto on the evening of 12 Oct 1999 as described above in my post in bold.
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I’m not a spokesperson for NS. All I’m saying is what Mushrraf said about the coup. I found pdf version of it online.
From CHAPTER 10 FROM CHIEF TO CHIEF EXECUTIVE
here is the link.
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Thanks Shamraz, I knew you were going to quote this portion. I'm with a hard copy right now and on Pg 85 Ch-10 the second last paragraph reads what you've quoted upto "...speaking up."
Left out in your quoted portion is the beginning of the last paragraph on Pg 85:
"One of the first things I did was tell the army **that our job was to assist the government in all possible ways*, particularly in areas where it asked to help." *
Before you quote from Pg 86>
"We should stop brooding** over the forced resignation of General Karamat** and get on with our jobs. We would not allow another humiliation to befall us in case the prime minister tried something like this again,** but we would only react, never act unilaterally.**"
Next paragraph begins:
"I was army chief for only a year before the army had to **react **against Nawaz Sharif.
..."
I've highlighted some key areas.
First the portion does not show a resolve or decision or planning to overthrow the govt or Sharif nor any plans for a coup or to do any such thing for any political *nor personal motives. The resolve was just that if the delusional and reckless PM ridiculed the Army and its Chief again, the Army would *react. Even that resolved *reaction *is not prescribed or described anywhere and it may have been different and comparatively low-key had the events of that fateful Oct evening been a bit saner on the PM's part. The reckless Mian Ameer-ul-Momineen invited the counter-coup in response to his coup directed at flight PK 805 containing 198 passengers in mid air.
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NS comes or goes,its not going to change the situation of the poor in the country.
Let the ex prime minister come,face all the corruption charges.He will be treated as
hero,which is sad.If he is such a sacha and khara leader why didnt he stayed in pakistan and
faced the charges instead of choosing the option of 10 years of more ayashi.
This is true democracy where judges are allowed to make a judgement based on
constitution.But its also their constitutional duty to punish the corrupt.Should he be the
next crime minister of Pakistan? Let the hand that vote decide not the hand that count the
votes.
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Let the Ganjaa Raj begin again....he'd be dying to return to his opulent estate in Raiwind and enjoy the phajjay ke paayes....sad, really sad. The Court has gone bonkers.
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but then again the hand that votes is hardly responsible or powerful enough...
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A good sum up on the docs from Dawn including the scans of the agreements;
http://dawn.com/2007/08/23/top1.htm
and another good write-up.
http://dawn.com/2007/08/23/nat5.htm
Moves which led govt to make deal public
Why has the government of Pakistan been reluctant to make public the so-called exile agreement under which former prime minister Nawaz Sharif left the country for Saudi Arabia after serving one year in prison and what prompted it finally to decide to submit copies of the documents to the Supreme Court?
** And while the government gave up its reluctance to keep the agreement under wraps, the Sharifs themselves have also changed their position, from categorically denying to have signed any deal or undertaking to finally conceding a few days ago to have left Pakistan in accordance with an understanding with the Saudi royals, and not with the government of Gen Pervez Musharraf**. According to observers here, the government’s hesitation in making the agreement public is understandable, particularly because it involves the Saudi leadership at the highest level. And Saudi Arabia rarely says anything publicly about its behind-the-scene role in any dealings with foreigners. This has been the main feature of Saudi diplomacy.
When President Pervez Musharraf landed in Jeddah about a month ago, after his historic sojourn to Abu Dhabi to meet PPP chairperson Benazir Bhutto, he was not accompanied by any foreign ministry official. It was thus evident that his visits to both Jeddah and Abu Dhabi, had something to do with domestic compulsions, rather than any foreign policy objective.
Interestingly, when the president landed in Abu Dhabi, neither the UAE president nor the prime minister was there to receive him, a clear indication that the visit had nothing to do with relations between the two countries.
** The purpose of the visits was clear and insiders here suggest that Pakistan’s domestic politics was the main issue on the agenda when King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz met President Musharraf.
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** There have been reports here of the Sharifs having earned displeasure of the Saudi government on a number of accounts.** Senior diplomats have told this correspondent that the Saudi leadership had been expressing dismay over the Sharifs’ conduct while they were in Saudi Arabia. Shahbaz Sharif’s attempt to land in Lahore did not serve to improve their relations with their benefactors.
** And some of their recent actions may have further weakened the Sharifs’ case in Riyadh, some insiders believe. They suggest that when the Sharifs were allowed to leave Saudi Arabia after they had pledged to return within a stipulated period and not to take part in active politics ‘as per the original understanding’ of December 2000. The Saudis rarely display their diplomatic displeasure in public. And, therefore, people here were surprised when members of the Sharif family, including Abbas and the mother of Nawaz and Shahbaz were asked to vacate, at a very short notice, the Suroor Palace where the Sharifs had been staying since their arrival in Saudi Arabia. It was evident then that all was not well between the Sharifs and the royal family.**
** There have been reports that Mian Nawaz Sharif was perturbed by the Saudi demonstration of displeasure and tried to take steps to mend ties with his erstwhile hosts. His close lieutenant Saifur Rahman is said to have been moving around to get the relationship back on track, apparently without much success.**
** Besides, some knowledgeable people here say, the Sharifs’ decision to sell the land allotted to them by none else than King Abdullah himself for setting up a steel plant near Makkah may also have not gone well with the royal family. The Sharifs sold the land at a high price to a major local business group which, incidentally, also bid for the Pakistan Steel Mills.**
** Sources in the group maintain that they had paid a hefty amount of Saudi Riyal 75 million to the Sharifs, was just the price for the prime land; otherwise the plant the Sharifs had set up there was ‘nothing but junk’.
**
The Sharifs had reportedly paid just SR5 million to the Saudi government as token price for the land. This deal may also have irritated the royals here, journalists in Jeddah maintain.
** There thus appears to be more than one reason for the current chasm between the Saudi leadership and the Sharifs. **And although the local press has not reported anything so far on the issue, reports of serious disappointment of the Saudi leadership with the Sharifs have been doing the rounds here for some time.
** And this may have encouraged the Musharraf government to decide to make the exile agreement public, its submission of copies of the document in the Supreme Court of Pakistan being the first step.
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