Saudis to lash 75-year-old woman for mingling

Maybe its just me, but can some tell if this has anything to do with Islam at all?

Saudis to lash 75-year-old woman for mingling - Saudi Arabia- msnbc.com

CAIRO - A 75-year-old widow in Saudi Arabia has been sentenced to 40 lashes and four months in jail for mingling with two young men who are not close relatives, drawing new criticism for the kingdom’s ultraconservative religious police and judiciary.

The woman’s lawyer told The Associated Press on Monday that he would appeal the verdict against Khamisa Sawadi, who is Syrian but was married to a Saudi. The attorney, Abdel Rahman al-Lahem, said the verdict issued March 3 also demands that Sawadi be deported after serving her sentence.

He said his client, who is not serving her sentence yet, was not speaking with the media, and he declined to provide more details about the case.

The newspaper Al-Watan said the woman met with the two 24-year-old men last April after she asked them to bring her five loaves of bread at her home in al-Chamil, a city north of the capital, Riyadh.

Al-Watan identified one man as Fahd al-Anzi, the nephew of Sawadi’s late husband, and the other as his friend and business partner Hadiyan bin Zein. It said they were arrested by the religious police after delivering the bread. The men also were convicted and sentenced to lashes and prison.

Ruling based on ‘citizen information’
The court said it based its ruling on “citizen information” and testimony from al-Anzi’s father, who accused Sawadi of corruption.

“Because she said she doesn’t have a husband and because she is not a Saudi, conviction of the defendants of illegal mingling has been confirmed,” the court verdict read.

Saudi Arabia’s strict interpretation of Islam prohibits men and women who are not immediate relatives from mingling. It also bars women from driving, and the playing of music, dancing and many movies also are a concern for hard-liners who believe they violate religious and moral values.

Complaints from Saudis have been growing that the religious police and courts are overstepping their broad mandate and interfering in people’s lives, and critics lambasted the handling of Sawadi’s case.

“How can a verdict be issued based on suspicion?” Laila Ahmed al-Ahdab, a physician who also is a columnist for Al-Watan, wrote Monday. “A group of people are misusing religion to serve their own interests.”

Sawadi told the court she considered al-Anzi as her son, because she breast-fed him when he was a baby. But the court denied her claim, saying she didn’t provide evidence. In Islamic tradition, breast-feeding establishes a degree of maternal relation, even if a woman nurses a child who is not biologically hers.

Sawadi commonly asked her neighbors for help after her husband died, said journalist Bandar al-Ammar, who reported the story for Al-Watan. In a recent article, he wrote that he felt the need to report the case “so everybody knows to what degree we have reached.”

The woman’s conviction came a few weeks after King Abdullah fired the chief of the religious police and a cleric who condoned killing owners of TV networks that broadcast “immoral content.” The move was seen as part of an effort to weaken the hard-line Sunni Muslim establishment.

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unbelievable. the barbarism of this truly evil empire is hard to believe sometimes.

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Shabash for Saudi justice
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40 lashes for a 75 year old woman is the equivalent of death sentence :(

Do these guys have no brains ?

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they do it in installments over multiple weeks. i'm not kidding.

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Really sick. First of all they didn't have any evidence of corruption, its based on accusation, secondly even if she was mingling, Islam allows women to mingle once they cross the age of 'no-marriage'.

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jahalat ki inteha hai.

take for example this gem: Sawadi told the court she considered al-Anzi as her son, because she breast-fed him when he was a baby. But the court denied her claim, saying she didn't provide evidence.

What the hell does the court want produced as evidence of breast feeding? This is retardation level stupidity.

whats the age no marriage?

May be they were looking for some relatives evidence who knew about her breast feeding the guy in his childhood :hmmm: But then they were quick to charge her on the accusation without evidence provided by the accuser but demanding that she provide evidence for her defence.

Slight correction, ‘no marriage age’ allows woman to not cover her face in some fiqh.

No-marriage-age is not a definitive number, I think its defined something along the lines when she is past the age of child-bearing, I think there may be additional requirement(s), but age of 75 definitely would be in that range.

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are they crazy=/

Innocent till proven guilty. Burden of proof is on them to show that she didnt breast feed the guy, not the other way round.

In a way these 'mutawwa' are the king, and in any kindgom a lioness can lay eggs or give birth (sher jungle ka badshah hay, chahay andaa de ya bachaa) :D

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are u serious? she only got them to deliver bread.. and the fact that theres a 50 yr difference between them and the relation of her being his uncles' wife.. i dnt see how this is punishable. how can a 75 yr old woman bear this? i mean wont she just die?

just wahabi

That is disguisting.

Doesn't the Holy Quran say that old women past "marrying age" can shed their outer garments (chador/burqa) so if Allah Almighty excuses them from Purdah who are the Saudi authorities to enforce it upon them?

If she was a young sexy woman I could understand but even then lashes is a bit too much.

In Islam even something as serious as fornication needs at least 4 eye witnesses, under Islam even a husabnd can not accuse his wife of cheating without witnesses even if he himself saw it with his own eyes.

Where in the Quran or Sunnah does it prescribe lashes simply for mingling?

Even if there was suspicion that they're having illegal relations, suspicion alone has no legal weight under Shariah and spying on what goes on behind closed doors is also forbidden.

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what is ironic is that she probably would die if she didnt ask for help. shes a widow with no kids right, who is originally from syria? who is she supposed to go to the grocery with?

they're doing her a favour i guess by deporting her atleast from this land of juhala.

It's this sort of thing which maligns Islam and Shariah.

The Shariah in it's true form is a beautiful thing to protect all those who live under it but Kafir-agents pretend to champion it more than anyone else and enforce it wrongly simply to malign it.

Shariah is a great deterrent against crimes but it's being misused by many.

The Shariah is not meant to be cruel, once during the early days of Islam under the reign of the second Righteous Caliph Umar (S) there was a severe drought and the people were starving so the punishment on stealing was temporarily lifted.

Furthermore the early Islamic State was a welfare state, if somebody's hand was amputated for persistently stealing their dependants were provided for by the state. Can the Mullahs of Swat who have to sell their daughters to rich bussinessmen from Karachi and Lahore to feed their own stomachs be a welfare state?

Shariah is great of it can be enforced in its full but choosing little bits to enforce like enforcing the punishments but not being a welfare state makes the* Rehmat* that is Shariah into a Zehmat.

We're all Muslims and belive in Allah's Laws as perfect and the best but realistically speaking I don't think anybody today is sincere in establsihing it properly. The Mullahs and the goverments who pretdnt o champuion it are misuing it for their own Padshahi.

Are you suggesting that Saudis are "Kafir-agents"?

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speechless :(

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Am I glad that I am not living in Saudi Arabia