Saudis to back Sunni Insurgents if USA pulls out of Iraq

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So now its official.

If USA does indeed pull out or takes out a significant number of combat troops from Iraq, Saudis and other Sunni powers such as Egypt and Jordan are pledging to support the Sunnis in their sectarian war against the Shias.

Shias are being armed and equipped by Iran.

This has the making of a conflict which will tear the entire region apart and could spill over to Afghanistan and Pakistan

If there was one country that USA should not have invaded in the Middle East, it was Iraq.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061213/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saudi_warning

NEW YORK - Saudi Arabia has warned it could decide to provide financial support to Iraqi Sunnis if the U.S. pulls its troops out of
Iraq, where sectarian violence between the minority Sunnis and majority Iraqi Shiites has threatened to tear apart the country, The New York Times reported.

Saudi Arabia is a majority Sunni country and up to now has promised U.S. officials that it would not intervene to assist Iraq’s Sunni insurgency, according to the report, appearing in Wednesday’s edition of The Times and citing anonymous American and Arab diplomatic sources.

But that promise might not hold if U.S. troops leave Iraq, the newspaper said. The Bush administration has repeatedly said there are no plans for the immediate pullout of U.S. troops.

The Times reported that King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia sent the warning to Vice President
Dick Cheney two weeks ago during the vice president’s visit to Riyadh. The message also emphasized the kingdom’s displeasure with proposed talks between the U.S. government and
Iran.

Iran — a majority Shiite country — is believed to be providing military and financial support to Shiite elements. The recently released Iraq Study Group report suggested the Bush Administration engage Iran and neighboring
Syria in talks aimed at applying pressure on Iraqi Shiites to keep what some analysts are calling a civil war from spiraling into a regional conflict.

Saudi Arabia has expressed concern that once U.S. troops leave Iraq that the controlling Shiite majority could massacre the Sunni minority, believed to comprise a large faction of the deadly insurgency that has claimed thousands of Iraqi civilian and U.S. military lives.

The Times reported that Saudi Arabia’s fears seemed to have been exacerbated by growing discussions in Washington aimed at accelerating the timeframe for bringing troops home.

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Re: Saudis to back Sunni Insurgents if USA pulls out of Iraq

Democracy can not work in Islmic countries! This is writing on the wall! Shias were oppressed by Saddam with the support from other arab states! Now with the democracy in Iraq, sunnis refused to accept the majority rule!

The majority lost their patience with the continued Al-Qaeda insurgency and are retalliating with equal barbarism towards innocent sunnis!

Things are getting worse because of foolishness of the allied forces! They have failed to control the situation!

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citing anonymous American and Arab diplomatic sources
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theres no credibility to this story especially as portrayed.

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Re: Saudis to back Sunni Insurgents if USA pulls out of Iraq

The thing that most people here do not understand is that as bad as Iraq is, it can get worse. Thus far, there have been no massive fixed piece confrontations, ie, one militia facing off for extended periods against one another. A slaughter of thousands could become a slaughter of millions. The Sunnis would be massively outgunned and outmanned by shia with revenge on their minds.

Saudi does not want to be involved, but they would step in to prevent an Iranian backed slaughter.

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Saudis and Iran have been fighting this proxy war in Pakistan, now they have open field in Iraq.

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yup, again going back to the revolutuoin in Iran and the war in afghanistan..that ime period both iran and saudi arabia started to flex their muscles for their sectarian proxy wars. Too bad our idiots liek sipah sahaba and sipah muhammad were too dumb to realize that they were pawns

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Re: Saudis to back Sunni Insurgents if USA pulls out of Iraq

These Saudi ulemas are doing the work of Zionists and Monkey Administration of America. After what their masters did to Iraq, they had an excellent opportunity to work as mediator, to let all sides in Iraq calm down, and to announce killing of anyone a crime against humanity.
Instead they are openly asking Muslims to be divided on sectarian lines, and start killing others based on sectarianism. What kind of Islam is that? Oh well, I know. This is the same Salafi/Wahhabi school of thought to which mass-murderers like Osama belong to.

If Saudis attack Iraq in their hatred against shias then it would not be the first time in history. They are guilty of waging their "jihad" against Iraqi shias before as well. In 1802 they attacked Karbala, killed 4000 people and destroyed Imam Hussein's burial place.

And while they are happy to slaughter innocent shias based on sect, they have no problem when their Zionist brothers usurp Baitul Muqaddas, and establish an apartheid regime against Muslims.

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Thats pretty low attempt by the saudis. instead of calling for calm, they're adding more fuel to the fire!

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these saudi cok skrs were giving financial aid to saddam hussein too when he was in power to keep the shiahs in iraq and iran in check then when saddam hussain turned against them they were left with no choice, but to swallow the american coks to save their behind.these racist pigs should worry more about giving land in their own country to palestinians and other muslims who are being suppressed around the world..which they can afford to..... than playing this non-sense politics.A palestinian has a better chance of getting american or european citizeship than saudi citizenship.

Had no idea there was so much symbolism in Bollywood movies.
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lets not just get on kSAs case here. iran is no angel either. it directly messed round in Pakistan, and afghanistan, and lebanon and now Iraq.

be fair, both are idiots

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Re: Saudis to back Sunni Insurgents if USA pulls out of Iraq

Let's keep it about Iraq alone. Otherwise it will be all messy.

While this is very much possible that some elements of Iranian government did support some shia militias when they were being slaughtered by Qaeda militants, neither Iranian government nor any prominent shia scholar supported killings of sunnis or violence in the name of religion.

This is in sharp contrast to Saudi "ulemas" who are asking to wage war against common shias. And their call is not based on politics, but based on sectarianism.

If they don't think based on sectarianism then where were they when Qaeda wahhabi militants destroyed one of the most revered shrine in Samara, where 11th Imam is burried? Qaeda wahhabi militants were killing shias in big numbers before that incidence as well. But common shias were still staying patient because their scholars like Sistani did not want sectarian killings. Everyone agrees that bombing of the shrine in Samara is the single most important incident which took away the control of shia masses from shis ulema who were asking for restraint.
Iraqi shia ulema even today do not ask for killings of sunnis, and yet these Saudi ulemas have no problem openly declaring jihad against common shia people.

This is no Islam.

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Iraq seems destined for a civil war between more than just sects. Exactly what happened in Afghanistan. USA is going to step out to save their arse and then the vaccum is going to be filled by proxies mainly shia and sunni or country backed and they will fight for a decade till Iraq is nothing more than a ruinous desert with no infrastructure till another Taleban kind of regime rises from the ashes and we all know the story after that. May Allah SWT bring calm and peace over there instead of bloodshed.

History often repeats itself.

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Thats why I say Pakistan should distance itself as much as possible from arab and persian states.

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The only way around this would be the US invading Iran. Everyone would be happy!

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^ err and why would that be?

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I don’t want to be drawn into this majority-minority discussion, but going by this logic, Asad, shia president of Syria should accept ‘majority rule’ and step down, because his country is more Sunni than Iraq is Shia. So let us keep ourselves from being sucked into this confrontational mode. Iraqis should learn to live as Iraqis and rebuild their country together. A regional conflagration is going to help neither Iran nor KSA.

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Instead of taking it as a matter-of-fact thing, why not see how to avoid this bloody outcome?
There are people on both shia and sunni sides killing others. The best thing is for Iraqi sunni and shia scholars to sit together and come up with ideas on how to stop their respective sides.
Anyone who wants to stop this bloodshed should support idea. If Middle Eastern countries start taking sides based on sectarianism then EVERY MUSLIM WILL BE THE LOSER. The only winner would be Zionists.

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Re: Saudis to back Sunni Insurgents if USA pulls out of Iraq

There is no confrontational mode. These are plain facts. They may make many of us uneasy but this is what reality is. We can come up to the solution only if we recognize the problem first.

You are right that a regional dispute is in nobody’s interest. And this is why these Middle Eastern people should talk straight to each other, instead of going to Washington to solve their disputes. If Saudis are concerned about Iranian help then why don’t they talk to their government first, and see if they can resolve this issue themselves?
Look again. There are two lawless groups fighting each other in Iraq. The best bet for any peace-loving sane person is try to stop BOTH of them, instead of taking sides in their bloody massacre. I don’t think this conclusion is really hard to achieve.

About Syria and Assad. I never said that a person from minority sect can not be the head of state. What I was saying was that Iraqi parliament is bound to have shia majority, simply because they are the largest group in Iraq. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Shias are not going to convert sunnis, for God’s sake.
By the way, Syrian government is based on Ba’athist socialist secularism. So there is no question of anyone’s religion there.

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Saudi's have money and nothing else. Iranians have weaponry but a more developed society. If the 2 clash, who do you think loses? Not US, not India, not Israel. Oh by the way, the theater for such clash is Iraq. Great - that is one resolution for the m.e.crisis.

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If Iran decided to inavde Saudia Arabia, iran can pretty much kiss itself goodbye. If iran were to inavde Saudi Arabia, it'd be matter of minutes before US would inavde iran. the Saudi Arabia's protector is the US