Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

[phoenixdesi]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid’s execution, hit back at criticism

@diwana

So far you have shown your continuous retarded behavior and being a doofus by going tangentially and making comments which have no relation to the actual case.

I on the other hand asked you completely relevant questions.

You are the one who commented on KSA judicial system without knowing all the facts of this case. I never ‘created’ any confusion or said anything authoritatively on the case. Read all my posts above.

I already said your question is irrelevant and has no meaning at all to me. There are no excuses. Period.

LOL…

so no answer from you…too embarrassed to embrace your beliefs publicly i guess!!! and that is absolutely fine but then dont jump into every religious debate and become champion of islam…

ladies and gentlemen… make your own judgement!

[Ghost14]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

phoenixdesi, please don't ask Diwana yes/no questions. It constrains him and leaves very little room for bad logic.

[Ghost14]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

@phoenixdesi

also, when Islam could not deliver a "pure muslim sate" for 1000 of years, jahil muslims came up with a slogan** "islam has everything in it to run a state but we muslims are corrupt plus west is doing conspiracy against us".... **

in the mean time west shunned Christianity and chruch and opted for secularism and democracy to run states ...

Muslims on other hand never had courage to accept that if followers of a certain religion are the most pathetic ones and are declining across every spectrum , then that religion can not be the best one and may need some careful evaluation to reignite its core focus.....plus muslims never thought that maybe a religion does not have power to be implemented at societal level...

it is called common sense which Muslim masses unfortunately lack!

This.

The West borrowed many of their ideas from Arabs, who had accumulated the knowledge of the Greeks, Persians, and Indians. The West, because of constant political struggle, had to evolve socially, militarily, and politically. The East was stuck with decadent empires that stifled innovation.

The West obviously has **some **things right. We can learn from them and evolve or we can become obsolete and irrelevant.

[GoldenAsif]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid’s execution, hit back at criticism

@phoenixdesi

yes you are dealing with a clown and this clown suggesst you go read unbiased history outside nasim hijazi novels…

there was never a “true muslim state” based on “islamic jurisprudence” ever in our entire history… umayyads, bano abbas, Ottomans, Umayyad](Muslim conquest of the Iberian Peninsula - Wikipedia) in spain, mughals in india…all of them were nothing but dictatorial muslim kingdoms where a king used to rule and his word used to be final…yes there used to be qazis but they were only speakers of kings…even when imam hanifa or shafi were alive, they were tortured by muslim kings…

when a muslim king used to die, his strongest son would replace him … so they were not islamic states where a proper jurisprudence or election system was in place so to speak…

and yes, some kings were better than others…some were secular, some were very religious but NO Islam never had power to implement itself as a “sole source of constitutional, bureaucratic and jurisprudence” firepower based on which a true Islamic state could be governed … plus over time islam like any other religion had hundreds of sects…and it became practically impossible to implement one sharia…

Off topic but

The other day I was telling my mother exactly the same thing, that most of these caliphates since khilaafat-e-Rashida were essentially dictatorships or one man show

However, this is not to say that I necessarily accept that Islam was spread by the sword

• Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. Later the Christian Crusaders invaded Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the ‘azaan’
• 14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians (i.e. Christians since generations)**. **Overall the muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled Arabia. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.
• Only 20% of the population of India are Muslims despite the fact that they ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted to, they had the power to convert each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam
• Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?

[phoenixdesi]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

@Ghost14

This.

The West borrowed many of their ideas from Arabs, who had accumulated the knowledge of the Greeks, Persians, and Indians. The West, because of constant political struggle, had to evolve socially, militarily, and politically. The East was stuck with decadent empires that stifled innovation.

The West obviously has **some **things right. We can learn from them and evolve or we can become obsolete and irrelevant.

well said...

[Southie]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

@lethal_kamikaze

To OP:

What's big deal in this issue. What's so especial in this story?.

To a reasonable person, the " big deal" and special circumstances would be obvious. Something about a fair trial and adequate legal representation?

I never understood why some feel the need to defend the indefensible.

[diwana]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

@phoenixdesi

LOL....:D

so no answer from you....too embarrassed to embrace your beliefs publicly i guess!!! and that is absolutely fine but then dont jump into every religious debate and become champion of islam.....

ladies and gentlemen..... make your own judgement!

Assumptions, assumptions and more assumptions. That's all I see in your posts.

I can and will discuss any topic when I feel like it is appropriate time, not when someone asks. Sorry to disappoint you there.

Discuss one on one and no need to turn to ladies and gentlemen. Be a man! ;)

[Southie]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

@phoenixdesi

LOL....:D

so no answer from you....too embarrassed to embrace your beliefs publicly i guess!!! and that is absolutely fine but then dont jump into every religious debate and become champion of islam.....

ladies and gentlemen..... make your own judgement!

This was not a fair match up. Only one side was logical.

[psyah]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

Just a question because I'm not too familiar with this case ... Did Saudi allow lawyers and experts from her country in to cross-examine the evidence and defend her? Did they allow the court proceedings to be broadcast?

Lastly, what are the trends of accusations on maids for certain crimes vs conviction rate/counter convictions on parents? If I was investigating the case I would have three options open ... the baby was killed by the nanny, by the parents or she died of natural causes ... Is there enough data available to show that Saudis are under as much scrutiny as the workers are?

If not ... then I would be the first to declare the penal system of Saudi, utterly unIslamic ... but if they do have these in place and if the trends are not skewed then we might be looking at a fair trial ... I just don't know enough to say either way ...

Mothers themselves are not beyond such acts these days - especially since people of affluence tend to be raised without learning tolerance and patience and no sense of morals - I would not be surprised if on the Day of Judgement falsely accused people will be standing high in number and the accusers were the actual culprits ...

[khoji]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid’s execution, hit back at criticism

@diwana

Please bring the evidence to this and how is it not possible to have ‘emotions’ being misread and even if correctly perceived would be different on the dead people who are killed by shooting.

Please prove what you said.

Just to let you know the term risus sardonicus is an expression on a lot of dead people and this looks like a smile.

Do you think dead people smile after their death? Really?

here is a source:
HowStuffWorks “Do you really stay conscious after being decapitated?”

This is not a religious issue. Beheading has nothing to do with Islam.

[phoenixdesi]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid’s execution, hit back at criticism

@diwana

Assumptions, assumptions and more assumptions. That’s all I see in your posts.

I can and will discuss any topic when I feel like it is appropriate time, not when someone asks. Sorry to disappoint you there.

Discuss one on one and no need to turn to ladies and gentlemen. Be a man!

diwana jee…naraz mat ho…you have impressed me so much that I have a song for you…i made it only for you with your name in it Diwana jee…i hope you like it and will sing it all the time! diwana mujh sa nahin!

Rafi - Deewana Mujhsa Nahin - Teesri Manzil [1966] - YouTube

[diwana]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid’s execution, hit back at criticism

@khoji

here is a source:
HowStuffWorks “Do you really stay conscious after being decapitated?”

This is not a religious issue. Beheading has nothing to do with Islam.

What’s the point here?

Why the need to post this after quoting me?

I only said the **facial expression on dead people don’t mean anything **since some dead bodies look like they are smiling and I gave you the term risus sardonicus as an expression of “grin”. Look it up please.

[diwana]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid’s execution, hit back at criticism

@phoenixdesi

diwana jee…naraz mat ho…you have impressed me so much that I have a song for you…i made it only for you with your name in it Diwana jee…i hope you like it and will sing it all the time! diwana mujh sa nahin!

Rafi - Deewana Mujhsa Nahin - Teesri Manzil [1966] - YouTube

Do you perceive any of my post as being naraz? Really?

Thanks for the song. Graciously accepted.

[phoenixdesi]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

@diwana

Do you perceive any of my post as being naraz? Really?

Thanks for the song. Graciously accepted. :)

you are welcome :D

shammi jee is my all time favorite!

[diwana]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

@phoenixdesi

you are welcome :D

shammi jee is my all time favorite!

:)

[nikhil25]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

at this point we should stop pretending to be surprised by vile crimes like this.

slave exporting nations in south/southeast asia should ban recruitment activities until these gulf barbarians overhaul their labor laws/practices and ensure legal protections.

[rommel]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

@phoenixdesi

la howla walla quwata billah......those states were kingdoms not "islamic states"...and the best ones believed in secularism treating everyone equally...we never had a hanfi state or sahfi state.....we never had a"muslim government"....

i never mentioned anything called hanafi state in any of my comments i mentioned school of thought caliph followed, you have no clue about legislation, islamic economic or any serious matter this is clear.

so your deference of secularism when i stated it has caused economic and social disaster is the following

"islamic states"...and the best ones believed in secularism treating everyone equally"

wow amazing and you call that a defense of secularism fiction and comedy in one sentence thanks for the joke.

[rommel]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

at this point we should stop pretending to be surprised by vile crimes like this.

slave exporting nations in south/southeast asia should ban recruitment activities until these gulf barbarians overhaul their labor laws/practices and ensure legal protections.

Gulf barbarians ? dude have you even been to the gulf the asian workers get free rent and free food can they get even half that than in india or pakistan you must be joking if you think so.

they will never leave the money they get is way better than at home.

[Umer]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

Gulf barbarians ? dude have you even been to the gulf the asian workers get free rent and free food can they get even half that than in india or pakistan you must be joking if you think so.

they will never leave the money they get is way better than at home.

I have lived in the Gulf for 4 years and have interacted with a lot of those "migrant workers". The only thing that keeps them in the Gulf is the money and even that is sometimes not given to them on time. Other than that they live under deplorable conditions, have to work on constructions sites in incredible heat for inhumane 16-hour-shifts and have no social life apart from work and sleep. It's not like they are getting "free rent and free food" for nothing. These guys are physical wrecks after 3 to 4 years of doing this kind of work.

[phoenixdesi]

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

I have lived in the Gulf for 4 years and have interacted with a lot of those "migrant workers". The only thing that keeps them in the Gulf is the money and even that is sometimes not given to them on time. Other than that they live under deplorable conditions, have to work on constructions sites in incredible heat for inhumane 16-hour-shifts and have no social life apart from work and sleep. It's not like they are getting "free rent and free food" for nothing. These guys are physical wrecks after 3 to 4 years of doing this kind of work.

thx for sharing... and for confirming gulf barbarians..time has come for people to stand up against these people....if nothing else we shd tell the world abt them via internet..this will be a jihad in itself