Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

Brother Umer,

I agree with u in that the some pplz from arabs (not the whole country or all arabs) rights towards "migrant workers" are in very ill condition. However, if we see on the other side then there are lots of "migrant workers" which actually living a very posh life and then there are some others which are living as middle class. So those who living as middle and posh class under the same pplz from arabs doesn't count anywhere?

So I think few bad points of some arabs doesn't make whole country of arab nations as barbarain.

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

Not all people who live in ME are in miserable condition and not all of immigrants who live in any other country live at high standard.

*It depends what kind of trade they are in and what is their basic salary plus how long they have worked or who they know. These qualifiers are same everywhere around the world.
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Speaking of that, most of ME pays higher salary from workers from certain countries as opposed to those who come for the same job from another country. And there appears to be no law for that.

In the end one cannot paint all nationals from anywhere with same brush. If people do not like to be mistreated then they they can choose not to migrate or move back.

I see too many people fouls mouthing Arab countries and they are hypocrites.

A whole lot of people from their country go to Arab countries to earn money and their aim is to make money and they agree to work harder and long hours with less money.

Choice is theirs and there is nothing to blame the host country. Simply don't go there.

When there are no laws for equal salary in most of ME so why cry? Deal with it if you agree to go there.

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Yeah, the workers seem to be nothing more then mules. They live to serve the welfare of the Arab natives.

Although I have heard the situation in Dubai has improved slightly.

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I kind of agree with this statement. But no matter what field of work you're in or what level of the job hierarchy you belong to, there is no justification for treating the people on the "lower end" of the foodchain like animals.

And your comment

shows that you have either never lived in the Middle East yourself or if you have you have never interacted with people who are affected by this.

Most of those workers on construction sites are lured there with huge promises and only realize what mess they're in once they get there. And then they can't go back to their home countries before their contract expires, firstly because they took debts to actually go to the Middle East (visa fees, agent fees, flight, etc.) and they can't go back without paying that debt back. And secondly it's a matter of shame in their community. "Larka bahar gaya tha, lekin khaali haath waapis aa gaya." That is a matter of concern for these people.

I don't blame Arabs in general for this. There are some very nice people among them too. But I do blame the establishment of those countries who have set such a system in place, that practically entraps people.

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^ In Saudia usually the employer keeps the passport so the worker cant return to their respected countries unless the employer allows him to.

The people who leave for ME are usually very desperate, and the economy plays an important part.

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

Yes, human need to be treated like human.

Lies and deceptions need to be condemned. No doubt.

The problem starts from home countries where for educated or skilled individuals the opportunities lack.

And unskilled individuals are even more desperate to make a living and enhance their standard of living quicker.

Hence the socioeconomic conditions place a demand on these individuals to seek employment elsewhere.

Now there are some stages these people go through.

The recruiters place ad in newspaper and job description and requirements.

These recruiters may very well falsify the information and employers may not even be a part of these lies and deceptions.

Or may turn a blind eye when it comes to their knowledge.

Regardless, when the employees set foot outside their countries they are pretty much committed.

The confiscation of passport is wrong but that may even be a part of deal between the recruiter and the worker who knowingly makes decision to go ahead and accepts the deal.

The remuneration is still decent and the the worker especially if unskilled is still happy or satisfied.

The worker does not care if he has local friends or people to talk to as long as he is getting paid.

Some people find this unacceptable and manage to get out of employment at first opportunity, many people continue to extend their contract by pleading to employer or recruiters.

The establishment and the laws are last to be blamed. The laws may even be very humane but individuals in this business maybe breaking the laws.

Why these people do not get caught is next question.

First the complains need to be filed, then investigation needs to be carried out and employers or the recruiters be questioned.

A lengthy procedure. Eventually the worker may get justice but what about other workers who are still eager to work in these circumstances?

If a sweeping action is carried out then a whole lot of people who are still accepting the system for their own needs may get hurt since employers and recruiters will get scared and the salaries/benefits may go down, and only selective people may get the jobs.

By the way, the sponsors maybe Saudis but employers (and their companies) may even be foreigners.

Hence it is a complex situation. :)

What I said is that if is known by the worker that people previously had bad experience then why do they keep going to work there? Many of these people keep going back to work even if their contract has been finished for another job.

Obviously they are in need since they have no better choice in their home countries.

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

Coming back to the case:

Few points to note.

1- If a fake passport can be made, then a false birth certificate can also be made.

2- The media and 'news' headlines keep saying "A 17 years old was beheaded". Not true. The headlines are misleading. She might or might not be 17 at the time alleged or real crime occurred but she was NOT 17 when she was beheaded.

3- Two lives were unfortunately lost. People do not find the loss of boy and his parents worthy of sympathy it seems.

4- If the weight of argument is on her alleged age ( and asking for leniency) then does this mean those who are arguing somehow agree that she indeed commit the crime?

5- The major culprits here may very well be the two recruiters who falsified her passport. How can recruiters do that is another matter when it is a Siri Lankan official document?

6- Why recruiters got only 2 years like a slap on their hands, when they (even if not directly) caused the loss of TWO lives through their greed? They should have been punished harder.

7- Sending underage girl (if that is true) to take care of a young baby through lying on documents should be considered a bigger crime.

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

I am not a supporter of the kings and monarchs who i dispise because how they allowed iraq to be destroyed by the United States. Also there double standards on many issues.

However i have also been gulf many times because of business and i have also interacted with these migrant workers and if you compare pakistan or india working conditions you cannot compare. Yes they work very hard, because the local arabs cannot handle such work. The workers get paid 4 or 5 times what they would in pakistan/india and they live in free rent majority of them and free food for many of them again.

Yes some have had been abused but what percentage are we talking here a minority in my opinion.

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid’s execution, hit back at criticism

Just read today that a prominent Saudi preacher was convicted of raping and killing his 5 year old daughter was only sentenced to a months in prison and $50,000 in blood money.

Saudi preacher gets fine and short jail term for raping and killing daughter — RT

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UNBELIEVABLE!!!

Blood money!!! For who? THIS ANIMAL is the father? Is he paying himself or paying off his wife? If I was the mother…I would NEVER accept it, I would demand an eye for an eye in this case. The few months he spent in jail is enough for this? The judge should be treated the way this girl was treated and see how he feels about it!

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

^ you fill find plenty of apologists for the Saudi system in this thread.

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid’s execution, hit back at criticism

Difference between Arabi and Ajami evident.

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WTH… Simply Appalling. I have no words…

I wish I could impale that preacher and the judges on the same stake. What sort of society is this? I read that the blood money was halved since the victim was a girl. This is not Islam.

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how can dog food pay $50,000 in blood money?

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Oh god, that is terrible. How can anyone do such a thing, and a preacher too regardless of his religion should know better.

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid’s execution, hit back at criticism

the hypocrisy of the Saudi regime continues.

I would hang this piece of dirt by his privates and let the lions eat him! but this not allowed in islam only we allowed to execute him swiftly.

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

Its okay, its just a woman and that too from "inferior" country called Sri Lanka. They wont give two hoots if a father rapes, tortures and kills a seven years old daughter in SA, SL maid is not even in the list.

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Just like in India minors are treated like slaves and raped… in hundreds of thousands every year.

India?s child maids face slavery, abuse and sometimes rape - Washington Post

She was just 14 years old when she was picked up from her poor village in eastern India and promised good wages as a maid in New Delhi. Instead, she was forced to work for free as a virtual slave in a wealthy middle-class household…

…Every year, hundreds of thousands of girls are trafficked from rural India to work as domestic servants in middle-class homes in India’s fast-growing urban areas. They are expected to work at least 15 hours a day for food, lodging and salaries well below the legal minimum monthly wage of about $125. Many end up cut off from their families, abused and treated like slaves. Some are sexually assaulted.

India erupted in outrage at the gang rape last month of a young woman on a moving bus in New Delhi. But in the same city, experts say, a vast network of child trafficking and abuse operates with society’s implicit sanction and official apathy. As India strives to become a modern and developed nation, the problem serves as a reminder of the exclusion of a vast swath of the population from the benefits of a rising economy and the broad indifference of many middle-class Indians to the rights of the poor.
“The trafficking of young children, especially girls, under the garb of placement agencies is the biggest organized crime in India today. And the worst part is, it is right there in the open, in our homes, and yet invisible,” said Bhuwan Ribhu of the child rights group Bachpan Bachao Andolan.

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One of the six suspects in the gang-rape case, a purported 17-year-old, was himself trafficked at age 11 from a poor village in northern India to a life of child labor in the capital, where he worked in a roadside restaurant and as a bus driver’s assistant, police have said. He soon lost touch with his parents.

Law widely flouted

Many middle-class Indians believe they are helping poor families by giving their children work. But according to municipal law in New Delhi, which has enacted some of India’s strictest child labor laws, they should be jailed. Employing people younger than 18 in a hazardous job, as domestic service is defined, has been a non-bailable offense since 2009.

But the law is widely flouted, said Ribhu, who added that on **rare occasions **police carry out “rescue operations” of underage servants after complaints from parents or activists.

It is interesting to see so many Indians flock to Arab countries (plane full of people) to work and make money but they spare no moment to criticize Arabs.

Perhaps its due to Arabs coming to Indian land and brought some senses to locals.

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^ and look at the number of migrant Indians in Saudi Arabia, they love to criticize Arabs where most of their doctors and engineers flying to SA.

Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

And take that, Kaka.

Aayinda, don't criticize the nice Saudi system.