Saudis are advocating that slavery is Halal?

Here is your prototype of a Saudi Fundamentalist, bend upon bringing bad name to the religion!

http://www.arabianews.org/english/article.cfm?qid=132&sid=2

Author of Saudi Curriculums Advocates Slavery

The main author of the Saudi religious curriculum expressed his unequivocal support for the legalization of slavery in one of his lectures recorded on a cassette and obtained exclusively by SIA news.

Leading government cleric Sheikh Saleh Al-Fawzan is the author of the religious books currently used to teach 5 million Saudi students, both within the and in Saudi schools aboard ? including those in the Washington, D.C. metro area.

‘Slavery is a part of Islam,’ he says in the tape, adding: ‘Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam.’

Government spokesman Adel Al-Jubeir and other officials have repeatedly claimed religious curriculums are being reformed, but Al-Fawzan?s books continued to be used according to the minister of education?s statements published by Al-Watan daily September 14th, 2003.

Al-Fawzan is member of the Senior Council of Clerics, Saudi Arabia?s highest religious body, a member of the Council of Religious Edicts and Research, the Imam of Prince Mitaeb Mosque in Riyadh, and a professor at Imam Mohamed Bin Saud Islamic University, the main Wahhabi center of learning in the country.

Al-Fawzan refuted the mainstream Muslim interpretation that Islam worked to abolish slavery by introducing equality between the races.

‘They are ignorant, not scholars,’ he said of people who express such opinions.‘They are merely writers. Whoever says such things is an infidel.’

Al-Fawzan?s most famous book, ‘Al-Tawheed- Monotheism’, is taught to Saudi high school students. In it, he says that most Muslims are polytheists, and their blood and money are therefore free for the taking by ‘true Muslims.’

Among Al-Fawzan’s other controversial beliefs is the right to ban the marriage of Arab women to non- Arab Muslims, according to his book ‘Al-Mulkhas Al-Fiqhee’ (‘Digest of Law’). He has also issued a fatwa forbidden the watching of TV.

Al-Fwazan is also is a leading opponent of those who seek to introduce change to the Saudi school curriculum. He also claimed that elections and demonstrations are western imitations.

According to Saudi liberal writer and scholar Sheikh Hassan Al-Maliki, Al-Fawzan threatened him with beheading if he continued in his criticism of the extremist Wahhabi interpretation of Islam. Al-Maliki, who worked for the ministry of education, was fired after he wrote a 50- page paper criticizing Al-Fawzan?s book ?Al-Tawheed?.
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Old habits die hard. With petrodollars and their tribalistic arrigance this is what they have practiced and exported to other impoverished countries.

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Well, are you saying that slavery is not halal? That those early Muslims who held slaves were all sinning? That the Quran and hadith deny slavery to be halal? I challenge you to produce one verse from the Quran or from the hadith that states slevery is either not halal or is outright haraam.

What you can say truthfully, however, is that slavery is allowed but actively and strongly discouraged. That is why the overwhelming majority of scholars do not support the reintroduction of slavery - it had been successfully wiped out over time and they believe it would be more pleasing to Allah if it is not reintroduced ever again.

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^ Are you saying Allah included things in the Quran that weren't pleasing to him? That man has decided that things permitted in the Quran should now be actively and strongly discouraged by Muslims?

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Yeah, tomorrow pig's feet will be halal too. Although strongly discouraged.

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Slaves in Islam simply existed because of all the wars and such. I dont think it is encouraged or was otherwise. It was better to capture the people as slaves, rather than kill them etc. Plus slaves in Islam had many many rights. One would hardly call them "slaves".

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Criticism is levelled against the clerics of Today who are an embarrassment and liability to Muslims of Today. Do not confuse this with the teachings of Islam, no one has challenged the Quran but these idiotic fundos. Using Quran to support their narrow minded vision of life is exploitation of the religious edicts.

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Plus slaves in Islam had many many rights. One would hardly call them "slaves".

iss masoomiyat pe hum royiN ke hansein?

Slaves have great right
second, third wives have great rights
kafirs have great rights
Dhimmis are protected greatly.

I sometimes can't figure out some of you debate in favor of or against Islam. hard to tell in cases like above.

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slave n.

One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household.

The degree of 'rights' one has hardly has any bearing on the definition of slavery. It's a shame ancient scripture cannot be more inclusive to include rights of people for a day without so many wars. Surely God intends for there to be such a day.

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Channji, I will be your slave forever.

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Yes I am saying exactly that.

The 65th of the Quran is called At-Talaq, meaning Divorce. As you may guess, the key theme of the chapter is divorce, and in particular it lays down the legal framework of divorce.

God has dedicated an entire chapter of the Quran to divorces, and yet divorce does not please him. For it is recorded in hadith numbers 2172 and 2173 of Book 12 of Abu Dawood’s compilation of the Prophet’s saying that:

Narrated Muharib:
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Allah did not make anything lawful more abominable to Him than divorce.

Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Of all the lawful acts the most detestable to Allah is divorce.

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Chann jee this “masoomiyat” seems to be present in you. Think with an open mind. I promise it will help.

I agree its hard to tell what stand the others are taking when one knows nothing of the topic under discussion.

Seminole I hardly needed the definition, thanks all the same. Do you even have a clue as to what rights slaves in Islam had back then?

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Are there similar displeasures mentioned about slavery?

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I guess the 4 wives aint cutting it for them, they need more cats.

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No, I totally agree with MQ’s sentiments. I’m the first generation of my family without the word “Ghulam” prefixing our names (for Seminole and any other white people reading, “Ghulam” means slave). This despite being freed from slavery around 2 centuries ago.

My family were historically slaves to a Muslim prince in southern India, having been descended on my paternal grandfather’s side from Hindu soldiers captured and enslaved in war.

My family celebrated and was proud of its slave heritage for generations because slavery allowed my ancestors to become socially mobile through becoming part of the royal court.

Being slaves enabled my family to transform from being peasant soldiers in the 1600s into being, by 1948, part and parcel of the aristocracy of Hyderabad and married into a a branch of the ruling family which previously owned my ancestors.

Without slavery, my family would no doubt still be mired in poverty and stuck in some backwards southern Indian village milking cows.

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and you would not be a muslim either.

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That too. Another reason to be grateful for slavery … it made my ancestors along my paternal line of descent into Muslims.

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you may be grateful, but you dont know whether your ancestors were grateful to convert or not. But either case, slavery may have been good in the old days but not in todays world. Just like smoking, there was time when smoking was considered "cool" now it's not.

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They probably were … a couple of books I read 2 or 3 years ago stated that hindu slaves at royal courts in India tended to be offered generous bonuses (money, political power, military commissions, women, property) if they converted.

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here’s what i wrote about these hadith the last time you posted them in the “eating lobster” thread…

"weak hadiths… the first is clearly a mursal report – its narrator Muharib never met the Prophet (saw) and so the chain is incomplete…

the second appears fine but in fact contains the same hidden defect… it turns out to be another mursal report from Muharib (even though Abdullah ibn Umar’s name is given as an authority)…

also recorded by al Daraqutni with a weak chain…

al Manawi in Fayd al Qadir, Ibn Hajar in Fath al Bari, and Hafiz al Mundhiri in al Targhib point out the above defect/s."