Jaawan,
You are not in a need of a rude awakening lately, are you? I can check if I have some cold water left in the fridge.
2Pak,
You just lost the 10 points you earned previously, now you are back to zero. Better luck next time.
aahmad,
goddamit, didn't even notice your message... talk about moderation. How's it going man? Where have you been? Don't tell me we need more Saudi threads to drag you around here! :P
Arabs are the yuckiest people in this world, no wonder allah had to send 124000 messengers there.
2PAK...i thought you dont know NOTHING about islam..so why bother telling...anyways to make you feel better about your self...i have read bukharii and muslim...do you know what they are? plz dont be angry...when you dont know something you dont no need to be angry at others when you really are what they say.
Roman bahi keya huaa? what did i do...huh?
Jaawan
Till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**©
[This message has been edited by Jaawan (edited May 06, 2000).]
i aint angry. i just wanted to see if you actually read bukhari and muslim.
Roman bahi keya huaa? what did i do…huh?
mairy chunay munay bhae, nothing yet… I was just bored and wanted to harrass couple of jaawans - and Azkar thinks I’m moderating the forum
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But on the other hand, I might have saved you both kicking each other’s asses. What’s in kicking ass anyway, right?
Assalaa-u-alaikum to all,
OK here goes, From what I have heard about the arabs, (and this has come from multiple sources, so its not just one persons opinion, there seems to be quite a large majority of Sunni muslims in Saudi. These people, like other sunni's around the world have complete and total respect for the Holy Quran, The Holy Prophet (PBUH) and for Hadees shareef. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about the saudi government. From a personal point of view, there was a time when I respected everything and everyone that came form Saudi Arabia, simply because that was where my Prophet (PBUH) came from. However, I have since changed my mind !. I have the greatest love & respect for The blessed cities of Makkah and Madina, I cannot say the same for the rest of Saudi. My greatest complaint against the Arabs is the blatant dis-respect they show for the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), his Immediate family and his companions. If any of you doubt my words then I suggest you go for Hajj and try to say Darood shareef infront of the Holy Prophet's (PBUH) resting place. I can guarantee that as soon as one of the guards/officials sees you he will without a doubt, warn you first and tell you to stop, if that doesn't work then expect to be hit over the head with a stick !. The arabs do not believe in the power of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) nor in his status amongst the whole of creation. They think that somehow they can reach Allah directly without the help of a prophet. I am also sure that most of you are aware of the fact that Jannat-ul-baki, which is the grave yard in Madina Shareef where many members of the Holy Prophet's (PBUH) family and companions are bueried, has been levelled to the ground and where there were once clear grave stones indicating exactly who was bueried there, these markings have been removed and most if not all of the grave yard has been bulldozered. But the greatest and most upsetting act of the arabs has to be what they have done to the grave of the blessed mother of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). The Blessed Prophets (PBUH) mother was bueried a short distance outside of Madina Shareef. There was a time when pilgrims could go freely to this grave in order to pay their respects. In an attempt to stop this, the Saudi's have not only barred people from visiting this grave, but have also demolished the grave site and turned it into a rubbish tip !. Pictures have been taken to prove this along with newspaper articles. Just think to yourselves, how upsetting it would be for anyone (muslim or non-muslim) to have the grave of your mother dessicrated and turned into a rubbish tip !. But we are not talking here of any ordinary woman, we are talking about the blessed mother of our Holy Prophet (PBUH), shouldn't we as muslims be angry about whats happend !.
As far as I am concerned, anyone who shows this level of dis-respect to the mother of our Blessed Prophet (PBUH), cannot be concidered a muslim, be he arab or non-arab.
IF any of you want to respect or judge the Arabs, then respect/judge them by their actions, not by where they come from !.
I totally agree with aahmed.I have lived in Saudi for more than 15 years.These arabs are the lowest of the low.In saudi, bearded men go around frightening women and unless you have been in the same situation,you have no idea how degrading it is.Will the sun crash to the ground if a few strands of hair are showing?Will Islam cease to exist,if Saudi women get behind the wheel?There are no restrictions applied to 13 year old boys who drive pick-up trucks.Women around the world are becoming pilots and astronauts,while Saudi women can get arrested if caught taking driving lessons.They need special permission to travel and they MUST always be covered.The main problem with Saudi men is that they have more money then brains.And don't even get me started on the Saudi Royal family.
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Mr. Naz, can you tell us how much space is there in front of Roza Rasool? Is their enough space to stand and offer Darood Shareef? You can offer Darood Shareef while you pass by during haj. It does not take time. But if you want to stand in front of the Roza and start offering Darood from the book, then imagine what will happen to other hajis. When you visit Roza Rasool other than Haj occasion I can guarantee no one will disturb till you finish Darood.
Mansoor, The discussion about saying darood shareef infront of Roza-e-rasool (SAW) goes beyond space restrictions and and busy periods during Hajj,When I have time I will provide other evidence to you. However, What excuse do the saudi's have for what they have done to Jannat-ul-bakkih or to the grave of the Holy Prophet's(PBUH) blessed mother ?.
Good point Naz!
Naz. i've done a lot of Umras as i lived in Riyadh for 4 years. THe point you made about the guards not allowing you to stand infront of Roza-e-rasool (PBUH) is not exactly correct. I remember on numerous occasion people standing right infront of it and weeping and reading something. Only if they took too long, would someone ask them to move, cuz there were other people waiting. 8 or 9 (if i remember correctly) can cover the whole Roza-e-rasool (PBUH) since it isnt that big.
Also classifing all saudi's as scum is as inteligent as these gora claiming that all pakistanis are terrorists.
The 'grave yard in Madina Shareef' you're talking about. Is it the one that is surrounded by a white wall (not vey high) and a gate which was locked (it was whenever we passed by) and the grave stones are (were?) like not exactly upstraight? I think i remember that place but not exactly sure.cuz this was a loong time ago and i was in grade 5- 7 at the time..
All these people living and working in middle eastern countries, are always whinning and bitching about the conditions in these countries, are hypocrites of the highest degree.
Hey, if you can't handle the shit they throw at you then don't go there.
If you have an ounce of self respect, then the very first time a arab insults you, pack your bags and go back to your countries.
I am pretty sure arabs are not coming into your countries and telling you how to run shit.
Everyone bitches but nobody wants to leave, I guess they like that riyal or dirham or whatever too much, even more than self respect.
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Originally posted by 2PaK:
why do u care about my religion. I don't even practice a religion. I never fast, pray, or do the five pillar thing.
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hahaha... I miss you man, where the heck are you?
Does this topic really belong in Religion??
World Affairs would be a more suitable place.
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Originally posted by Naz:
*Mansoor, The discussion about saying darood shareef infront of Roza-e-rasool (SAW) goes beyond space restrictions and and busy periods during Hajj,When I have time I will provide other evidence to you. However, What excuse do the saudi's have for what they have done to Jannat-ul-bakkih or to the grave of the Holy Prophet's(PBUH) blessed mother ?. *
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agree
totally agree
No pathan dont have alike with sindhi.
Most sindhi are mohajir and from india.
The most they would have with punjabi or Balochi caz they are right next to them and they intermix with each other.
where in arabia were u livin girl? i lived in jeddah for like my whole life and never had a prob with the muttaweh…i never remember covering myself all tight and everything…in fact…never wore the scarf on my head…just around my shoulder…unless u go to the sleazy places like aziziyah, then i would (but not cuz of the muttaweh)… and who said u can’t go anywhere without ure man? i used to go everywhere…on the compound bus, with all us friends, guyz and girls…yeah..don’t act like total losers and no ones gonna pick on u!..yeah.. sure saudis have big egos but as purana zamana said…ppl won’t leave and won’t quit to bitch about it…quit the double standards…
some of their rules are stupid yes…but mojority of em are great cuz i think that is the only country where a woman will feel truly safe…
i don’t remember my dad or any of us suckin up to any saudi…infact my dad has got into fights with em and ended up winning…i have got all ruff tuff with their men and one thing i learnt was if u know good english, u can kick their assess…
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ppl whine bout “oh…yahan tho human rights hi nahin hai” but they don’t have a prob livin in foreign countries where a woman getting raped and the rapist getting an oh soooo long sentece of 3 months (barely) is the norm…
i don’t like saudi arabia just cuz the kabba is there…i would say i like it cuz its givin me the best yrs of my life…i would do anythin to live there again…great place jahan deen aur duniya dono hai…tho kaun si kiyamat toot pari hai that girls ain’t allowed to drive? i mean i live in canada and still don’t drive.
honestly, i have more respect saudi arabia then i do for pakistan, not cuz i have somethin against the pak, but just cuz of the fact that i was born in jeddah, raised there, it gave me an excellent education..good stand in both deen and duniya…i jsut reallllly like that country! easy and high class living!
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