the show is about reciting Bedouin poetry, instead of singing.
a woman on the show, who has gotten to the final round, is being showered with death threats for her gutsy poetry, talking against fatwas and the men who have hijacked her religion, islam.
on one forum … people are talking about how to kill her. one went as far as asking for her address!
what are your views?
it’s so easy nowadays to get death threats … you spill the water, you get death threat, you eat chewing gum, you get death threats … it really seems like that to me.
religion today is way more strict, and too much in the hands of men, as it perhaps was in the earlier days, or as it was meant to be.
to many extremists in the world.
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If she is reciting poetry of someone else then why to threat her . Go kill those poets . Few hardliners are very intolerant when it comes to foreign ideas .
If she is reciting poetry of someone else then why to threat her . Go kill those poets . Few hardliners are very intolerant when it comes to foreign ideas .
i think it's her own. although she hasnt taken any names, and is talking in general, one of the scholars in saudia has taken it personally.
urmm there’s nothing wrong in her saying anyhting as long as it’s not blasphemous and in any case even if it is they dont have the right to do anything as tht’s between her and her Lord, they can tell her once politely tht it’s wrong or whatever but anyhting after tht is none of their concern. as far as i know ISLAM is a religion of peace and not sword(as others believe:rolleyes:)
and coming to the part i’ve highlighted where u’re say ‘religion in the hands of men as it was in teh earlier days’…if u’re talking abt ISLAM then am sorry to say you’re wrong, if you’re talking abt other religions tehn yeah it was and still is in the hands of men(well in most cases anyway)
and extremism is not permitted in islam, be it in practising it or spreading it(am sorry i cant give a reference)
dont we love to roll our eyes at others .. and give a message of peace .. pfff … have people forgotten to talk nicely and have a proper debate? i really hate that smiley.
and no she isnt saying anything blasphemous like adultery is ok or polygamy is the new ****. she is just in general talking about what life has come to … what Islam has become at the hands of men in contrast what Islam really is about. just like any other reasonable person.
this is a rough translation of her poem: I have seen evil from the eyes of the subversive fatwas in a time when what is lawful is confused with what is not lawful; When I unveil the truth, a monster appears from his hiding place; barbaric in thinking and action, angry and blind; wearing death as a dress and covering it with a belt [referring to suicide bombing]; He speaks from an official, powerful platform, terrorizing people and preying on everyone seeking peace; the voice of courage ran away and the truth is cornered and silent, when self-interest prevented one from speaking the truth.
and as for your post which i’ve highlighted red, i’m itching to reply to that, i just deleted whatever i wrote, but i have a feeling i’d be getting too many rolling eyes from you. agreeing to disagree isnt popular anymore.
p.s. yes there are powerful and influential scholars out there who are more interested in the empire they’ve created for themselves, instead of telling the truth, or suppressing the horrors of the Islamic world.
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^oh no i wasnt rolling the eyes at u, u got me wrong:bummer: it was for those who think islam is spread by swords(mostly anti-islamists)
the second part of my post was for u…and what am trying to say, people shouldnt dictate others, if the saudi woman said anyhting then it’s her ‘hisaab’…only thing i did and still do disagree with is the part where u said religion used to be in the hands of men in earlier days, because ISLAM was NEVER a religion tht was in the hands of men in teh earlier days, and the real islam will NEVER be…people are misinterprating religion, and we ok maybe it’s a rather male-dominated world but religion is not
PS and as u’d asked in yr first post, i read the article after posting my reply and i found nothing bad in what she said…u can reply to my post, try respecting others views without taking them negatively/personally:)..that way we’ll have a healthy debate and outcome Insha’Allah
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^ obvious misunderstanding then :)
yes you also misread me ... i said TODAY we have taken religion in our hands in contrast to how it was NOT in the hands of people in the days of it's origin
so it comes down to that we dont have a disagreement?
religion today is not strict but kinda misinterprated by a few(with loads of publicity from the west). yes maybe it’s too much in the hands of men now.
religion was strict in the earlier days where men and women had their rights…freedom…rights to eduaction and all…and it still is strict in quite a few households and cities or villages…
no disagreement as far as the saudi woman is concerned though:phati:
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in the earlier day, Islam was strict with making sure rights are given and duties are fulfilled and justice is prevalent.
today .. nahhh ... i feel injustice all around me. today it is strict only to make sure "my" rights are safe .... and by "my" i dont mean me, but just to imply selfishness. if we look at most of the islamic world .. what is it?
pakistan. iran. afghanistan. serbian/bosnian muslims. saudia. n.east africa. indonesia.some of india. what is the state of women here? i am not talking of the handful of those who're doing well in contrast to the large 80-90% of the population.
i think, when talking of islam, it is only rightful to first talk of those people who are dependent, or weak in some way or the other ... which means women, children and the elderly. who is left? the man. and what is man doing? screwing around. making his physical power known. God has given him lots of benefits and power. too bad he is misusing it ... instead of utilizing it in the best possible way to let this earth be a peaceful place.
next .. the women ... keepers of a household. what are they teaching their children? what CAN they teach their children if they themselves are illiterate and under-knowledged, and speak words which are just mimicking lips of the men of her house?
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Allah alAzim has given both men and women ‘great powers and benefits’, too bad if some dont take notice/realise/appreciate it, too bad if they dont appreciate what they are given and are greedy for the others share…
and when we’re talking about countries where women dont have their rights, we’re talking about ‘developing’ countries mostly NOT ‘islamic’ countries…good example is india(it’s rather most of india than ‘some of india’)…well in these countries women complain of being tied down, in other countries(western) most women complain of being harrassed/raped/abused…no wonder people say that making a woman happy is the most difficult task:omg:…but i think making a pious and understanding woman happy is not difficult at all…same goes for men…they always complain abt their wives too, over-looking their own faults and never appreciating his wifes ‘mehnat’(hardwork)..
what are they teaching their children? what CAN they teach their children if they themselves are illiterate and under-knowledged, and speak words which are just mimicking lips of the men of her house?
well tehy can teach them discipline, good manners, akhlaq, about religion...and for more advanced stuff, Alhamdulillah we have schools and madrasahs for that:)...
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Reminds me of Afghan Star, that poor woman had to leave her home in Herat. It's the story of every Muslim woman who wants to come forward and say what's truly wrong.
yes. that all we can say … too bad … if people (women) choose to be sheep … then too bad. but it’s not helping.
both worlds, the east and the west … are extremist to me. nothing is neutral and good. that is why there is no satisfaction. we dont want to be tied down, but we dont want to be raped either. and i think it’s pretty clear and obvious that no woman would actually like that … then why is it still thrust upon us? how many pious men are out there? it is necessary for men to mend their ways first … the Quran itself stresses that. but if a pious woman keep thinking that her happiness in the happiness of her husband, regardless of his attitude towards her, then that is just BS.
it angers me so much to see “obviously” modern and liberal men who fall low enough to beat their wives, because they didnt know how else to vent their anger. i feel like chopping their yoohoos off!
no they cant. because they dont know the meaning of it themselves either. how can a person teach about religion, when she herself doesnt know either? she teaches what her husband teaches her, or what she has learnt from her mother (hegemony). how can children learn any good when they see a major unbalance and misuse of power in his/her household? how will a son respect any women in the house or society, when he sees his father acting like the owner of his mother. and how will the daughters ever become productive human beings, when they see their mother as these docile beings who continue to take it. first from husbands, and then from sons who start becoming sheyr in their mid-puberty.
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^ Unfortunately, it's not about to change anytime soon, Farrah. One thing that holds us women back is our self-hating mentality. Somehow whatever we do is what we deserve, once we abandon that line of thinking, we will move forward. Women blame themselves too much.
We need more women to realize it's not OUR fault! It's not that we are unhappy because we complain, gossip, or are hard to please, it's because we have been told continously that we are no good. Shove that mentality up your A$$ and move on.
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^ i cant agree with you more! i dont blame men for everything. women are as much a part of the crap they have to suffer. what on earth is wrong with them?? i have physical reactions of anxiety and anger to such issues!
p.s. hey … did you hear the burqa blue song? i thought it was quite a catchy tune
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look now i dont feel sorry for those men(yes men!) and women who submit and allow their partners to abuse them…in this century we have both men and women being abused…that said i do have sympathy and feel the pain of women/men who’re forcefully made to be in that relation(eg in case of no support from family)
bt comn now, good akhlaq, discipline and all are basic things wich u dont need to go to school to learn:rolleyes: and if she teaches her kids and gives them a strong lesson, then am sure her children wont go abt abusing their partners…being literate is no guarantee that someone would respect teh rights of other…good morals are!, (oh and law eduaction helps as well:D)
one thing that could be done is help women come out of their shells, by teaching them how to voice their complaints in such a way that would actually benefit them, in a sensible way…
yeah that mentality is what i’ve been trying to talk abt all this time, think and keep yrself high and others will do that too, if not now then later…do it for the future generations!!
yeah that mentality is what i’ve been trying to talk abt all this time, think and keep yrself high and others will do that too, if not now then later…do it for the future generations!!