Re: saudi woman speaks up on saudi "american idol"
why doesnt the vdo show :(
anyhow ... have you heard of ayaan hirsi, the dutch politician? well i read her book ... and i thought it was a pretty retarded one at that ... in terms of how naively she has written some parts ... and has a lot of bias in places. but i do agree with the one thing she is fighting for. stop tolerating the oppression of Muslim women and create laws that protect them, instead of calling it culture difference and respecting multi-ethnicity and multi-culturalism, and being scared of being tagged as racists.
anyhow ... have you heard of ayaan hirsi, the dutch politician? well i read her book ... and i thought it was a pretty retarded one at that ... in terms of how naively she has written some parts ... and has a lot of bias in places. but i do agree with the one thing she is fighting for. stop tolerating the oppression of Muslim women and create laws that protect them, instead of calling it culture difference and respecting multi-ethnicity and multi-culturalism, and being scared of being tagged as racists.
The problem is a lot of women in the Muslim world accept oppression as the Islamic way. Somebody needs to define oppression to them.
there aren’t so many men who are at the abused side of the relationship. but those who are, they of course also deserve the sympathy and help.
(what iv made bold in your post) … i havent even mentioned schools. (doesnt feel nice this smily, does it?) i am stressing about how to make house education better. and for the mother to do strong teaching, she herself needs to be a strong entity in the house first. good crop is a result of a well kept land, and cared for seed. and women are given tashbih to a land in the Quran.
and yes, being literate is no guarantee. that is why i stress the role of the MOTHER, the WOMEN in the house. and that’s why i said the jahil-tareen are those so-called liberals who beat their wives because the Quran says it’s ok.
and laws for education are of the utmost importance. but for e.g in Pakistan they started this free education till grade 10 for the poor kids … “parha likha punjab” … teachers ghayab. students ghayab. students had no motivation whatsoever, because their parents where also not very keen on knowing or interested in how it’s going. it was a free thing, so woohooo.
ayaan hirsi is a somali woman .. an ex-muslim .. who is not happy about being circumcised, and not happy about the terrible state her country is in … and not happy about how islamic things didnt really make sense, although she tried **** hard to be a good muslim. so she went to holland to seek refugee status white en route to canada. it is her mission to emancipate female muslim immigrants in holland/europe.
no no Noland … dont keep yourself in that kind of high.
she is talking about respecting yourself first, before others respect you. if you think of yourself as a lowly creature, if you put yourself in a cycle of self-pity … others will have the same attitude towards you.
there are many men, maybe not as many as women, bt the numbers significant…
well then how are women supposed to be ‘strong teachers’ then?…it’s just that i cant think of a better option than schooling
i didnt understand that part in bold?..given tasbih to a land in Quran?
where in Quran is it written to beat a woman black and blue? i have never come acroos such a thing…so could i have a reference please..
yeah what i have come across in Quran is that ‘education is a MUST for men and women’…now if we have some men in some part of the world who dont follow this, doesnt mean that we run and blame religion…and if only u’d do some research u’ll come across many cases which involve non-muslims by far a greater number than muslims…
(ps; dnt mind it when i use that eye smiley, it’s just that i discovered 2smileys recently and am so excited to use them, and nice arent they?
female circumsion? that’s not part of islam…and it’s FGM, illegal!! it’s torture:mad:
Re: saudi woman speaks up on saudi “american idol”
Ayan Hirsi is just a dutch puppet. money talks.
and to all you feminists, you have to understand, the west has no right to say their way of life is the right way. other cultures and races have different values and customs. one must not be blind to that fact. also, im not denying the oppression part in the muslim world, but at the same don’t be blind to the oppression in the west, where women have no choice also.
and the story, it’s nothing new, saudi hardliners will come out and threat, then they will go quiet. the woman can win £900,000 :0 that is a lot of moola. good luk to her.
It’d be nice if you’d back that up with some facts. What women don’t have a choice in the west? Care to explain? There’s injustice everywhere no one’s denying that, but seriously, what oppression do you see in the west?
It'd be nice if you'd back that up with some facts. What women don't have a choice in the west? Care to explain? There's injustice everywhere no one's denying that, but seriously, what oppression do you see in the west?
So you're telling me as a feminist, you don't see oppression? Then why are you a feminist in the first place? You don't see women having to work harder to get the same respect as men? Isn't that the reason feminists base their movement on? note: I assume you are one by reading your posts (esp in religion forum).
anyways, the oppression I'm referring to is seen in the media, music, movies,..etc How a woman is seen by a man in the west? Is it any different than what you oppose coming out of the Muslim lands? I find it worse! Since it's done openly and accepted as norm without a care in the world.
Let's not get started with facts and figures on domestic violence, rape, battering, murder, all kinds of violence towards women. You know them better than me.
Re: saudi woman speaks up on saudi "american idol"
^ I am not a feminist. I am against injustice whether it is towards men or women. What you are describing is injustice not oppression. The women you see on TV are not forced to come on tv. That's not oppression, that's a mix of stupidity and vanity. Whatever women do in the west is their choice, they are not forced into it. Apart from sex trafficking, most prostitutes in America are prostitutes by choice. Most rapes, and other crimes are reported in the west, in the east they go unnoticed. So if I go by statistics, the west obviously has a lot more rape and abused women cases but we know that's not true...
women will become stronger teachers the day they learn to stand up for themselves. the day they stand up against brutality towards them. the day they start respecting themselves, and demanding nothing less than respect. the day they take the book in their own hands, instead of learning it from forefathers and husbands and the chauvinist media.
tashbih means metaphor. and Quran is a book of metaphors. my father sometimes used to randomly pick up the quran, choose a verse or two, and start discussing it with me and my siblings. and once there was a verse about tending land, and land being the responsibility of man. i am sorry, i am not good at jotting down verses and remembering them off of my head. and while we were discussing it, with a tafsir of the Quran, daddy explained how a woman is like a land. (though it may also symbolise her being a man’s property) but it also symbolises what kind of relationship a man must have with her woman. and in various places this metaphor is used. just like in the tangible world, owning property and land brings a great sense of pride to man, and also if it is good land. so unless a man is taking care of this property, it will only bring shame to him. unfortunately, in the real world, beating up women doesnt really bring any shame to them, they’ve become immune, the society has gone immune. and all these man will have to pay.
but Allah has asked men to take care of these woman, because women that are treated well, are taken are of well, they will prouce a healthy crop: healthy, happy, pious children.
i agree hirsi is a puppet, and a rather self-absorbed woman. but please! learn to know the difference before you call someone a feminist, yeah! in this incredibly chauvinist world, women who speak up for their rights are feminists??? seriously?? no one is denying men’s rights here either. so please.
multiple exclamations!!
let me ask you, why is a woman in a position to fight for respect? why dont you just give it to her? because you are supposed to respect her.
since men arent happy to give respect the easy way … what’s so wrong with them fightng for it?
how a woman is seen in the west isnt radically different to how a woman is seen in the east as well … in the west, women take their clothes off voluntarily, in the east men forcefully take women’s clothes off in public .. perhaps not physically, but in their head yes. oh wait, did i just forget that incident where a rickshaw-wala asked a girl in complete burka to come on his ride, he wouldnt fcuk her!
the fact that it is done openly in the west, and without a worry in the world, makes all the sin on the women. nobody really gives a second look to some visible calves. but in the east, guess what? all the sin is on man, who is ordered by Allah first, to lower his gaze and respect women.
so the next time a muslim man acts brutal or disrespectful towards his woman, he should think hard, of how many women he saw in public today with the wrong intentions!
we need to fx our society before we say of how godless the west is. really.
no no Noland … dont keep yourself in that kind of high.
…it’s just that i cant think of a better option than schooling
nice arent they?
that’s not part of islam…and it’s FGM, illegal!! it’s torture:mad: