Saudi woman roaming in miniskirt

[SaeedinPakistan]

Re: Saudi woman roaming in miniskirt

@redvelvet

Good grief. If we are ONLY looking at employment opportunities, then yes it can be said that West is better than Saudi. If we are comparing which country us more technologically advanced, then yes west will come out on top. But comparing premarital sex and job opportunities is like comparing apples to oranges.

Anyhow, premarital sex is rampant…both in the east and the west. If there’s a pissing contest to see which of the two is slightly “better”…I’d have to say Saudi. The reason being that the mahol/environment/culture in Saudi is such that premarital sex is still considered taboo…as something that is shameful…even though the sin is taking place in a more hush-hush way. But in the west…the hush-hush attitude doesn’t exist. In the west, it’s nit considered taboo or shameful. In the west premarital sex is glorified…in the songs…in movies…in magazines…and it’s considered a “rite of passage” among the youth.

And yes, I know that people in Saudi listen to the same songs and watch the same movies. But it boils down to cultural perceptions. Look, HYPOCRISY is everywhere…even in Makkah and Madinah.

But the question is…

Which one is worse?

A country where …even though premarital sex is taking place…there is still a feeling of taboo/sharam attached to it…so that people still feel enough to shame to not openly/publicly reveal this sin to others

OR…

A country where all hayaa is gone…people feel no shame in talking about premarital conquests…where it is openly encouraged…and considered “cool”…and “praiseworthy” among the masses …both in private and public?

If one has to make a choice between whether a country that has (ten) 10% “hayaa” left…is better or worse than a country that has 4% of hayaa left…err…it’s really not that hard to understand that the 10% modesty is still better than the 4% modesty…for the sake of argument. And again, this is looking only at the comparison of one specific issue…premarital sex…not a khichri of issues like employment, social freedoms, etc etc.

I don’t think a country’s government ought to enforce hayaa\honor on it’s citizens. Hayaa is an individual thing dictated by a variety of factors (culture, religion, family, etc). A person’s sense of honor is not stagnant, for many it evolves as their outlook on life changes. The same goes for sin. A government cannot define sin because it rules over a group of people with varied belief systems. Sin, transgression of the law of God, might mean different things to different people depending on which god they believe in or if they believe in any god at all.

All that said, people should have the freedom to do what they want as long as they’re not causing harm to other folks. Seeing a women in a miniskirt does not harm anyone so it should not be a punishable. Premarital sex does not harm anyone. Sure, there’s a risk of STIs or unwanted pregnancys but that’s something that can be mitigated via proper education on safe sexual practices.

No one would criticize Saudis if all the women **voluntarily **wore their Hijabs at all times and all Saudis **voluntarily **abstained from premarital sex. However, that is not the case.