Re: “Saudi veils are bound to slip”
In Saudi Arabia? I’m not painting a broad brush of the ‘east’ but am referring to SA only.
But are Saudi freedom restrictions necessary to protect the values you mention?
Who decides if you get these choices? The patriarchal puritannical men that rule Saudi society?
Re: "Saudi veils are bound to slip"
Ravage, please don't include all of east in your assessments. 3 billion people in Asia could care less whether a woman wears a tent or not or whether she is worthy to lead prayers, vote, have a drink, speak her mind, etc. Such idiotic ponderances are for the arab and arab inspired worlds.
Re: "Saudi veils are bound to slip"
matsui, given that this is a pakistani forum, with predominantly Muslim posters, and a thread on saudi arabia, any idiot with half a brain could figure out what the context here is. we're speaking of the Muslim world here. if you must nitpick pick elsewhere.
Re: “Saudi veils are bound to slip”
im not gonna talk about saudi arabia because as i said I dont agree with a number of their laws. but when people over HERE question saudi arabian laws, almost implicitly they’re brushing Islamic laws along for the ride. if you’re not doing then I dont have a gripe with u.
perhaps not. but I guess its easy to move from saudi arabian laws to Islamic laws when people bring in slavery and tents etc. so yeah, theres plenty of women in the Islamic world who have what you define as freedom.
Muslim ones are in our belief. in your belief maybe not, but we dont set our laws according to what you believe in.
Islamic law.
Re: "Saudi veils are bound to slip"
Your above post has perhaps the most contradictory and confusing 4 points possible in a 4 point post.
I don't like SA laws or people equating SA law with Islamic law.
It's easy to confuse SA law with Islamic law.
Muslims don't set laws based on what you believe in. (what about #1?)
Islamic law dictates SA law.
Re: "Saudi veils are bound to slip"
true
just because I dont like it doesnt mean that it isnt easy for people here to make comments about islamic laws in a thread about saudi ones. people are stupid.
i make the distinction between saudi and Muslim laws. IMO Islamic laws are necessary for preserving those values we hold dear, but saudi laws are far too restrictive and beyond what is mandated by Islam.
i didnt say that. as I said, I will argue from the perspective of Islamic laws, not saudi ones, because people here, including you (slavery) and matsui (tents and whatnot), have launched into typical criticism of islamic laws on a thread on saudi laws.
Re: "Saudi veils are bound to slip"
A little defensive on the slavery issue. I actually envisioned slavery in my home country's history in using it in my example. Not aware of slavery/saudi thread.
But don't blame people for confusing Saudi law and Islamic law when Muslims themselves do not seem to know what is which. They are the keeper of the holy places. It is the most sacred and culturally Muslim country. Many of its practices are based on the way the religion is practiced there. And there is no outcry or wolrdwide movement by the 1.2 billion followers to change it. But I'm not saying it is "Islamic law" as I don't think there is consensus among Muslims what that really is.
Re: "Saudi veils are bound to slip"
yes interpretations of Islamic laws vary sometimes, just as any other religion has various sects. most Muslims here on this forum though are from Pakistan, not SA, and follow a different brand of the religion. they would probably reject the idea of not allowing women outside at all without a guardian or not letting them drive or victimising/killing people who are shias or not letting single mothers manage their son's schooling without the paternal uncle's consent. even if saudi laws are framed with what I believe is tenuous Islamic basis, they're unlikely to find a lot of sympathy here save from a few posters.
as for the outcry from the 1 billion Muslim people, do you guys have massive outcries over how holland frames its laws?
no make that italy since it contains the vatican and is thus religiously signficant.
Re: "Saudi veils are bound to slip"
no need to defend Saudi Arabia people..relax... what the Saudi govt does is not all islam..
Re: “Saudi veils are bound to slip”
mullani mystical to saudi’s rescue
trumpet blowing
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