OK Einstein, we know you have a PhD from King Rafeek bin Shafeek University. Eskplane something to me. If you haven’t seen or talked to those other 99% women, how can you conclude that they are ‘happy’? Is there any empirical study done on that? If you think that someone who is not allowed to leave the confines of her house without a male escort is happy, then your head deeper buried in sand than you may think it is. It is not about Abayas..it is about freedom to think. Abaya doesn’t confine one’s thought process, but the laws do.
Why don’t you tell why Bahrain is more open and somewhat more progressive than Saudi Aabia? Could it be due to the fact that they are a significant Shia (however ruled by Wahabis who keep tight lid on things)? I am not generalizing but Saudi women are treated worse than goats in their own country and people like you are brainwashed into believing that they are happy. It might surprise you to know but I have traveled in that entire region and talked to many academics from there, so I know what I am talking about.
AQ, do you want me to put a PhooloN wala Haar on people’s neck before exchanging views with them? are you for real? OK, here’s one for you
the percentage of unhappy saudi women might be the same as the percentage of unhappy american women or pakistani women or indian women or bahraini women....
u cant keep them all happy....
but to generalize it over the entire female population is plain stupidity and ignorance....
but as i said earlier, for ppl who can relate arabia only to camels, cant really be expected to think much deeper....
Moghal are you pretending to be thick or not pretending? It’s not about who is happy and who is not. are there any venues in Saudi Arabia where women can express what they feel compared to say Pakistan, India, or even Bahrain? I think my point flew over your head like a flying camel. Stop trying, you will not get it.
Just let them live yaar, the saudis will always remain an itch in the Wests ass, with so much oil & power.
Point is what does west want to prove by taking their veils off…??? Oh I get it first the veil, then the clothes & voila…we will have a corrupt nation in no time thanks to the creeping fahashi.
Dilber Jani, I am not looking for any venues, I have all the freedoms in the world that I can dream of, including those that I can’t even dream of. However, what will be nice for Saudi women is for them to have the same opportunities that are available to her counterparts elsewhere. This is year 2005 not 67. Now as it stands, she could be rapped insider her house but she cannot step foot outside of her house alone to report a crime (what if she is alone at home??). Now, please don’t tell me that it doesn’t happen in Saudi Arabia blah blah blah… because it does happen there. Did you read about the news not long ago how 15 or so young Saudi girls were burnt to death inside their school as they were not allowed to escape by motherfking Muttawa Police that had shut the doors tight on them (arguing that their attire (a friggin school dress) was un-Islamic. Now if you think that women there are happy and content on the status quo, then so be it. Let them die like goats and be rapped, it is better like that.
Here are some more nice laws of Saudi Arabia related to women:
-a Saudi woman, if marries a non-Arab muslim (she is no longer a Saudi should she marry a non-Muslim), can lose her Saudi Citizenship, and the kids born to her cannot claim Saudi Citizenship – the law doesn’t apply to Saudi men.
-a Saudi women must be accompanied by a close relative to venture outside the house.
-she must be covered in a black grab and must wear horse mask in public.
These are just a few examples, now in circumstances like the above, do you really think that Saudi Woman are valued in their country more than a house pet? What’s the going rate for a bride there? On my last trip there, someone mentioned that rate for bride is tied to her complexion. Is that right?
I'm sure you could have talked to many slaves back in the day when men still held slaves, and many would have said they were happy to be fed once a day and only beaten when they deserved it.
I am sure many or most are happy. In my (slightly sarcastic) remark about slaves I was inferring that if that is all they know or think possible, then they are happy with what they've got.
Freedom doesn't mean those values are not acheivable. I know plenty of women in the west who cherish those values. What about men who do not know honor or value modesty? At least they have a choice.
and i know plenty of women in the east who have 'freedom' as you term it. non sequitur. certainly though, immorality, immodesty, adultery, extra marital affairs etc etc are all more acceptable in the west than in the east to the average joe.
i think this is only the second time i did that