"Saudi veils are bound to slip"

**Not sure if this should go in World Affairs or Culture, so mods plz move it to the proper forum. **

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/283110p-242633c.html

JEDDAH, Saudi Arabia - Even for a panel discussion here at the Jeddah Economic Forum on the role of women in Saudi Arabia, the sexes were separated by a high barrier and women had to enter the room through what was called the Female Entrance. The women - most of them highly educated and generally affluent - wore black* abayas* and, when they asked a question from the floor, they were not shown on the meeting hall’s closed-circuit TV. Some of the discussion was about driving. This is something women cannot do in Saudi Arabia. The custom - now a law - imposes quite a burden on the society, not to mention individual women.

One of the male panelists - someone who favored giving women the right to drive - wondered if putting women behind the wheel would set off riots. A discussion ensued. After a while it was possible to forget that driving was under discussion - not say, divorce or (gasp!) the end of polygamy, or even women’s suffrage.

Women behind the wheel.

When coming to Saudi Arabia from the United States, you need to set your watch. Officially, the time difference is eight hours ahead of the East Coast. Unofficially, I think it’s about 250 years behind. Much of this feeling has to do with the obvious status of women. To the highly successful women (and men) brought here by the Council on Foreign Relations, it is a repellent aspect of a society that is so at odds with not just the West, but even the rest of the Arab world.

Saudi Arabia produces a good deal of the world’s oil. But its most obvious product has to be cultural contradictions.

Somewhere - off-stage and out of sight - are the religious authorities. They have their own police, ready to pounce on any inappropriately dressed woman. It is the religious authorities who will not permit women to drive or vote, and insist that they dress in non-Gucci black.

Back in 1990, some 50 women took to their cars in protest. The religious authorities reacted with alarm. Once women drove cars, who knew what would follow? To the religious, this was a clear moral issue with grave sexual overtones. The women were punished, their families suffered and a sexist custom was codified into law.

How long can this continue? Maybe as long as oil prices remain high and the kingdom can afford a sexist version of the racial segregation Americans once practiced. In the end, though, economics and common sense will trump religious zealotry and women will be liberated.

But sometimes an outsider has a keener eye for absurdities - not to mention the satellite dishes on almost every roof that download what women all over the world are doing.

Ladies, start your engines.

**At first I thought this was going to be another “oh poor Muslim women in their burkas” article, but its acutally kind of different from all the articles about the midest/asia written by “outsiders.” While I don’t agree with the author’s disbelief at women’s separate entrances (he IS an outsider so I can understand it), i do believe he made some good points in this article, like how the right to drive or vote (among others) is denied them and how absurd it is. But I had to laugh at the part where he says “common sense will trump religious zealotry.” Common sense does not exist in these idiots. In the end he brings up a very interesting point and pretty much sums up most of the Muslim world: it’s easily accessible to see what women all over the world are doing, economically, socially, culturally etc, but when it comes to your own, mindsets and attitudes are still 250 years behind…
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get them froom behing veil first, the wheel will follow.

though insurance will skyrocket - women are lousy drivers in general (no I am not mcp)

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saudi women r very happy as they r....
i wonder why ameicans have got his "keerra" to try to prove that they r being suppressed....

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^ Thats true armughal. Americans have some thing wrong with them. Its all part of making their foundations weak and hoping that this area will soon become next Egypt and Syria.

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I think Americans in general think that when a woman is covered she is treated like a 2nd class citizen and has to always obey her husband or else. Man I think women in the Middle East are much more happier than the ones in the US.

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Same for other Muslim societies too, on average a lot more Muslim women are happy and content with their life than American Kaafirah’s, it’s extremely irritating when westerners meddle in our affairs, ignorant fools.

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armoghul…are you a saudi woman? I thought you were a Paki.

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How will atlantis describe the whole naked march of hindus in india in a hindu festival.Probably that is why atlantis feels it is a bad idea covering up ones body because atlantis's religion or customs prohibits doing so and that clearly puts "them" 25000 behind the civilized world where people cover their bodies with clothes and have dignity, honour and respect for themselves.

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Unlike you, he’s the citizen of and resident in an Arab country neighbouring Saudi Arabia, so I have a nagging suspicion that he knows a little bit more about Saudis than you ever will.

Plus his point was backed up by gupshup’s resident Arab woman, Majestic, so I think you should drink a nice cool glass of Shut The **** Up.

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Oh, I nearly forgot : :jhanda:

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I guess because there is so much debate about if someone is 'qualified' to comment on this topic, let me just say that I grew up in Saudi Arabia... I spent much of my childhood living on a "western" compound...

I was recently in Riyadh again visiting my parents and a former US Ambassador to Saudi was over for dinner and of course as usual the socio-economic situation of women in Saudi Arabia came up... The guy made a really intersting point.. He said the key to modernization was getting the Saudis off their ass and making them earn their keep. As long as the Saudis were able to import all the knowledge and expertise they needed, as long as they had the money to feed the GREED that made people look the other way on these issues nothing would change..

Change would only come when the Saudis were given a kick and were forced to educate themselves...... As he put it....no one wants to rock the boat meaning no one goes up against the Mullahs because the system is working in favour of the Saudis at the moment, they get all the money and none of the sweat!!

I know this post is getting rather long...and someone will have a quick quip about needing a recap or something. But let me say this, yes the thinking in saudi arabia is old...but for that matter it is the same all over the Middle east and South Asia but I do not think the gap is as wide as 250 yrs. Remember these are young nations, not that that excuses anything, but still you can not create change overnight without allowing the time for adjustment to those changes..

my two cents.
S.

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oh yeah, the good old "our women are happy as they are" thing. A proven time tested line to keep ones head buried in sand. or worse.

Men practice polygamy yet the women are happy? Man rapes woman but victim can't get redress unless a man stands witness - women are happy?

Here is the problem - you guys don't see women as full fledged human beings.

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^ I see, so you have your fingers on the pulse of the female arab nation. You know them better than they know themselves.

Talk about heads buried in sand. Yours is buried somewhere too. Rhymes with grass.

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wow case closed then. :rolleyes:

:jhanda:

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Maddie, have you ever talked to a Saudi woman in your life (or seen one)? Ask Moghal dude if he has, as most Pakis there drive camel buggies and not really go inside Saudi homes (where Saudi women are kept alongside goats). Every camel driver is an expert on Saudi women. Yeah sure.

Majestic is as much a Saudi woman as you are, you might actually be a little more than she is.

:jhanda:

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okay we never said you were not an expert.

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Xie, That makes me feel so much better. Thanks and :kiss:

:jhanda:

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^
madhanee dear, the only saudi women i have talked to r the ones who do not wear hijab....

we, bahrain, r connected to saudi arabia by a 25 km causeway, and women, saudi women, who do not like the hijab, toss it out of their windows as soon as they cross the saudi immigration....
they do not even wait to get to their destination, they get rid of it as soon as saudi borders r over....

but thats less than 1 percent....
the others prefer to have their hijab on even when they r in bahrain....

but since the only thing u see in arabia is the rear of a camel, its not surprising that ur comments on arabia usually have crap in them....

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haha :rotfl: dat’s called fizz with substance well said bhai sahab

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you could’ve said that without using the foul language madhaanee. Point of difference does not always mean that you do not have to respect others’ points of view.