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by the way, these petro-dollars bailed out sorry and bankrupt pakistan soon after the nuclear endeavour . but, the majority of the Pakistanis are awfully unthankful in nature...considering what happened in Karachi today, the fortunes of the bubble economy of Pakistan could go in a tail-spin quickly, so be thankful that the Saudi brothers are always there to bail out :D
so? thats excellent and exactly the sort of thing i think that the money should be used for . development, charity and investment. im only condemning their luxurious excesses. Can u imagine if they gave even a fraction fo that money to help the palestinians.... or to eradicate poverty in muslim africa.
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so? thats excellent and exactly the sort of thing i think that the money should be used for . development, charity and investment. im only condemning their luxurious excesses. Can u imagine if they gave even a fraction fo that money to help the palestinians.... or to eradicate poverty in muslim africa.
so, what you got against the saudi petro-dollars? or what you got against the saudis in get in general foo! as long as they keep doling out charity, all is hunky dory, and then the same folks turn around and start lambasting them for every single thing...
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dude u jumped into the end of an argument u dont even know what we're talking about your missing the first part of the argument which was that that chap said that the saudis follow the purest version of islam. and then i brought up the whole petro dollars etc
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^^ but the fact remains that the two holy sites in Islam are located in Saudi Arabia and thus for millions of poor muslims, the saudi interpretation of Islam becomes the defacto version of Islam
Then how would you explain Barelvism, Perveziat, Ahmadism e.t.c.?
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Obviously the Saudi's have the purest form of Islam!
Because Islam promotes
- Monarchy
- Lavish Rich living of the poor
- beating women who don't wear hijab
(This is sarcasm, in case you don't get it)
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Obviously the Saudi's have the purest form of Islam!
Because Islam promotes
- Monarchy
- Lavish Rich living of the poor
- beating women who don't wear hijab
(This is sarcasm, in case you don't get it)
That's politics not religion...
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Then how would you explain Barelvism, Perveziat, Ahmadism e.t.c.?
those are shia concepts....
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those are shia concepts....
Of course they aren't...But even if they were, they would still leave your point moot, wouldn't it?
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^^ i dont understand what your point is... clarify please
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Thing is i dont think saudi's are perfect followers of islam. The reason pakistani's are under the impression is because we dont even follow islam to an extent that saudis are following it. Thus everything saudi's do is oh God they are mis representing islam! now thats not bad if the person criticising is actually trying to follow islam and is therefore upset by fellow muslims misunderstanding religion. Rather the tranishing islam is usually born out oh - what - does - the world- think -of - us ? Its just a sorry state of mind. Saudi's are not doing a great job? Fair enough go and set a better example. I doubt Pakistan would ever even contemplate that.
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That's politics not religion...
I thought that under Salafi Islam politics and religion were one and the same?
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those are shia concepts....
Barelvism, Perveziyat, Ahmadiyat shia concept? Are you nuts?
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^^ i dont understand what your point is... clarify please
They are the complete opposites of Saudi version of Islam...
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Don't the Canadians know that "Allowing men and women to work together sows the seeds of destruction in any society"? If these women are allowed to work at an educational fair what happens when a young girl see's that and gets the idea that she too someday can get a job maybe even without her husband's permission? All hell will break lose, these Canadian whores should be brought up on charges!
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I think many of us are missing a moot point here. It is imperative that we follow the laws of the land when we are in any country. The country might have obnoxious laws, but that does not mean that they can be broken on a whim and a fancy.
The same argument should apply to the Islamists who raise a hue and a cry when they are asked to attire properly in the countries that they abide..
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Don't the Canadians know that "Allowing men and women to work together sows the seeds of destruction in any society"? If these women are allowed to work at an educational fair what happens when a young girl see's that and gets the idea that she too someday can get a job maybe even without her husband's permission? All hell will break lose, these Canadian whores should be brought up on charges!
I agree, lets declare war on these moron eh? Burn their houses, ruin their streets , show them the civilisation , that will teach them the lesson?
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I agree, lets declare war on these moron eh? Burn their houses, ruin their streets , show them the civilisation , that will teach them the lesson?
No that's crazy, clearly these people need to be under the rule of a dictatorship, otherwise the hate the sects have for one another will cause them to kill one another and each others children.
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Theer's a strict law of segregation enforced in that country. Secondly, the president is flatly lying "that they did everything that Saudi Law requires". The Saudi law requires segragation - whether the president agrees with it or not - and they were not following the "Saudi Law"
There is no "law of segregation" in Saudi Arabia. I lived there for most of my life and segregation could never be held up as legally binding. It is culturally the norm but a mutawwa would be hard pressed to come up with a solid religious basis for preventing women from working or in this case, promoting education.
I worked at a Saudi bank in Jeddah (note that it wasnt a multinational or foreign bank) and worked alongside both Saudi men and women who were relatively conservative and not one of them ever acted like the moral fabric of society was unravelling because men and women were working together. If segregation was law in Islam, then men and women would not have been allowed to perform umrah together, or to circle the kabah in tawaf together, to worship together.
Almost all segments of Saudi society, whether it is amongst Saudis or expats, the richer or the poorer sections of society, the more 'liberal' class or the more 'conservative' (and I have had the opportunity to meet people across all these sections while living there), there is a widespread acceptance that the mutawwas go too far.
One aspect of Islam may translate into careful interaction between the sexes for a proportion of the population there, very limited contact between the sexes for the rest. But very few people, in Saudi Arabia or elsewhere, believe that Islam can possibly sanction shoving girls back into a burning school or shutting down a women-staffed booth that is promoting educational opportunities because of so-called threats to morality.
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No that's crazy, clearly these people need to be under the rule of a dictatorship, otherwise the hate the sects have for one another will cause them to kill one another and each others children.
Yes of course why didn't I think of that? Perhaps the altruistic nature and selflessness of recent problem fixers (Iraq, Afghanistan) has turned me into a sceptic. Am sure they need to be shown the way by great leaders of even greater civilisations in this world.
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There is no "law of segregation" in Saudi Arabia. I lived there for most of my life and segregation could never be held up as legally binding. It is culturally the norm but a mutawwa would be hard pressed to come up with a solid religious basis for preventing women from working or in this case, promoting education.
I worked at a Saudi bank in Jeddah (note that it wasnt a multinational or foreign bank) and worked alongside both Saudi men and women who were relatively conservative and not one of them ever acted like the moral fabric of society was unravelling because men and women were working together. If segregation was law in Islam, then men and women would not have been allowed to perform umrah together, or to circle the kabah in tawaf together, to worship together.
Almost all segments of Saudi society, whether it is amongst Saudis or expats, the richer or the poorer sections of society, the more 'liberal' class or the more 'conservative' (and I have had the opportunity to meet people across all these sections while living there), there is a widespread acceptance that the mutawwas go too far.
One aspect of Islam may translate into careful interaction between the sexes for a proportion of the population there, very limited contact between the sexes for the rest. But very few people, in Saudi Arabia or elsewhere, believe that Islam can possibly sanction shoving girls back into a burning school or shutting down a women-staffed booth that is promoting educational opportunities because of so-called threats to morality.
You're talking too much sense here, the mullahs will not like it.