Saudi punishes gang rape victim with 200 lashes

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What? The punishment for rape is five years max? I am not going to argue about rape victim being punished as I don't know the details. If victim is punished for 200 lashes then the rapists must be punished for far more lashes.

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In the new verdict issued on Wednesday, the Al-Qatif court also toughened the sentences against the six men to **between two and nine years **in prison.
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No lashes for these guys, just prison time?

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^^ yup

these are the great champions of Islam

is it any wonder why there is growing Islamaphobia when people think of Sharia Law, they think of this

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I find it ironic that a citizen of a nation whose hands are awash with the blood of countless innocents, whose display of justice are the likes of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo should show any signs of moral indignation at another country's laws or justice system...

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May be US has its flaws in laws/morals but still it doesn't give Saudi/Pakistani or any other government license to make laws as they wish. Saudis claim they enforce sharia laws but still it is clear from the case that laws are not being applied correctly (we already know ruling elite is above laws).

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I am from Canada. And I find this repulsive

So your argument is totally flawed as usual

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Outrageous and sad.

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So what? Still sad situations happens all the time

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i feel so sorry for that poor woman! so isnt the punishment for adultry stoning by death? how come the rapists are only getting 2-9yrs?

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^^ women have less values in these countries

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How can she confess to committing adultery when she wasn’t even married?

This is the typical Saudi nonsense

As for her confession, she probably was whipped and under extreme duress wrote that

Pathetic, just pathetic

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Saudi_rape_case_victim_an_adulteress/articleshow/2570358.cms

RIYADH: A woman in Saudi Arabia sentenced to six months in jail and 200 lashes despite being gangraped has confessed to adultery, the justice ministry said on Saturday as it tried to fend off mounting criticism.

Despite being sexually assaulted by seven men who kidnapped her with a male companion at knife-point, the unidentified 19 year-old woman was sentenced in November 2006 to 90 lashes.

The judge sentenced her for being in a car with a man who was not her relative, a taboo in the conservative Muslim kingdom which imposes strict segregation of the sexes. But her story hit international headlines last week when her sentence was increased to six months in jail and 200 lashes after she spoke to the media.

The justice ministry said that the woman had owned up to having an extramarital affair with the man in the car. “She admitted to … exchanging sinful relations,” the statement said, adding the woman was in state of undress with the man in the car before the attack took place.

The woman and her alleged lover remained quiet about the attack, which was only reported to the authorities several months later when the woman’s husband received an e-mail from an unidentified source informing him of the affair.

“She admitted to what happened and the husband then reported the incident three months after it happened,” the justice ministry said, adding it wanted to correct the “largely incorrect” details published in the media.

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The woman and her alleged lover remained quiet about the attack, which was only reported to the authorities several months later when the **woman’s husband **received an e-mail from an unidentified source informing him of the affair.
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I think we need to take into account other viewpoints on this. I'll do my best to explain.

From a Saudi based standpoint, concerning the laws of the land, she committed a crime by being alone with a man. She knew the law, she knew the consequences, and took the risk.
However, there are no set legal punishments for such infractions, therefore the punishment laid down is based solely on the judges bias. If he chose so, she can be granted a pardon.

From a Shariah based standpoint, the punishment for fornication is 100 lashes. The problem with this arises when 1. the rapists stated that they found her naked with the man, and 2. she apparently confessed to fornication with him after that statement.
The rapists comments should be stricken from record by all accounts. Taking into account the social customs and bias of the judges, wherein they do not have 4 credible witnesses to her actually having sex with this man, and considering that her "confession," could be due to several factors including: duress, pressure, emotional reaction, over reaction, or simply breaking down and agreeing to false accusations because of her fragile psyche due to her trauma, her confession could be stricken as well.

If the conviction is based on illegal mingling, there is no statue in the Quran concerning it, only a mention in a hadith following as "If a man and a woman are alone together (unrelated), the devil is with them." This is what the prohibition of mingling is based on, to prevent fornication and rape. There is no basis in Islam to outlaw mingling, it is obligatory onto the INDIVIDUAL to follow it. She did not, and thereby put herself into a dually risky situation. Simply following the hadith concerning this would say she already received her "punishment," for not following Islams teachings to prevent this very thing from happening.

Herein lies the legal issue that people do not wish to accept. If she did it (have sex with this man who's not her husband), she's a criminal, and legally deserving of the punishment. If she didn't the case should be reviewed again to clear her name.

People keep forgetting that she is a Muslim, and as a Muslim woman, she is subject to such laws. Islam is a way of life, everything you do is based on a belief, a doctrine, a ruling, etc. She chose to break the law as a Muslim woman, and as a Muslim woman, she is subject to those laws. It is a difficult concept for many westerners to understand, and they have no experience nor belief such as this.
Liken it to this: You believe that murderers should be put in prison (let's go even father and say that you're an advocate for this, it's your passion), but you go out and murder someone in cold blood and state that you should be immune from punishment (without basis), while others are not.
(not to compare this to murder, mind you).

From a human rights standpoint, this is in clear violation of her rights as an individual, plain and simple.

From a Saudi foreign interest standpoint, the king should pardon the girl, as this tarnishes the image of Saudi Arabia, and as long as the controversy continues, Saudi Arabia remains in the spotlight.
Saudi Arabia does not with to broadcast what happens inside the country to the international media.
Example, "The Death of a Princess," documentary, showcased a similar case where a Saudi princess committed adultery and was executed by a firing squad. When this was broadcast, the king was so infuriated that he called back the saudi ambassador to britian (where the documentary was produced), and sent the british ambassador out of KSA. He even considered expelling all British citizens.

Saudi Arabia doesn't want this kind of publicity, so it's best to quiet it down. This is where the catch 22 comes into play. If he pardons her, he prevents his image as a foreign leader from diminishing more, yet he puts himself in staunce opposition to the religious scholars and police that govern his country. Even the royal family is not immune to their rulings. By doing so, he would put himself at risk of accusations of blasphemy, or even apostacy.

It's a very tricky situation.

However, I must state, that I don't condone this. Never should a government legislate personal morality.

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^^ doesn't matter

you don't imprison a woman after being brutally gangraped 14 times by 6 men

This kind of savagery is exactly the kind of thing which feeds into islamaphobia

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It does matter. If she did have sex with that man, she is subject to the laws in the Quran, as she is a Muslim woman.

Her confession needs to be stricken from the court due to duress, and this whole thing will be straightened out.

The problem is that the judges view women who break such rules as deserving of rape.

You call it savagery, and mention Islamophobia.
Perhaps you should consider that Islam mandates this punishment.

You don't have to agree with it, to understand it.

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Doesn't matter because thats not the only thing happened. She was brutally gangraped 14 times. That crime takes precedence and she needs to be treated like a victim instead of a criminal.

Ya right. I have lived in Saudi Arabia for 12 years. This will never happen

Exactly

I have to look more into this. Because Arabs have incorporated a lot of their tribal BS into Islam. But irregardless. She was brutally gangraped, and you don't treat her like a criminal for this offence when she was gangraped

I certainly don't agree with you and nor do I agree with your explanation to explain the rationale of the Saudis

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Saudi Arabia says they will review this case.

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only after the massive amounts of bad press

many hundreds of other cases goes unchallenged

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Not at all.

Anything wierd any muslim does anywhere in globe becomes a headline.

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then you obviously haven't been to Saudi Arabia

this is one of the rare cases that this got so much press

thanks mostly to bloggers who brought this case to the media

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In regards to this case. After being brutally raped 14 times by 6 men, the girl is being send to Prison because she was in the company of another man.

But I wonder

What is the punishment if the two just say salam?

What is the punishment if they just have less than three minutes of conversation, say, asking for directions?

What is the punishment for sitting in a public place for less than 15 minutes, say, like having coffee at the same table?

What is the punishment if it happens to be case helping a friend (not related, say, a student in the same school or a teacher) for shopping groceries, etc.?